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  • Originally posted by geepee View Post
    In my younger day, as an inspiring 'Farmer' I bought land that I thought was 'Cheap' only to find that it was 'Infested' with 'Horsetail'
    I took advice from the then ADAS and was told to plough deep ie 35/40 cm ,Add Lime to bring Ph up to min 7.5,Hoe any emerging shoots during the next growing crop.
    Plough deep again the next Autumn and keep a check on Ph ,P, and K levels.
    Within 2 years I had NO mare tail presence.
    As a Gardener now,I realise that we can not Plough, But please dont think and put all your effort into diggng 6'' (15 cm ) deep is enough..""" total waste of time and energy, merely givng the horsetail roots left ungerground more energy to emerge...!!
    My belief is .....the 'No Dig ' approach has led to deep rooted weeds such as maretail, couch, etc , not to mention grass weeds, an excellent opportunity to prevail.
    Moral of this is if you have Horsetail, Couch etc.......Dig deep( minimum 2 x spade depths ) or invest in a 'Deep digging spade'.( you only have to dig once , irrespect of the depth)
    Better than continuos digging to no avail.

    Soil test and ensure your Ph.P.& K levels are sufficient to a depth of 30-50 cm, not just the top 5cm.
    Perseverence with this will pay dividends Im sure .
    Gp
    I am digging fairly deep, not just 6 inches. In places I'm quite clearly into the sub-soil, where it changes colour. I think possibly the reason why I am finding so much root is because I am going a little deeper this time rather than just doing the top layer. I don't see how I can go down as much as 40cm though - there has to be a balance between clearing an area and keeping the rest of the plot under control. If I'm digging that deep I will only get a small area done.

    It may be that I have to admit that looking after a plot that size is too much for me - at times it feels that way (along with my own garden and my friend's garden). My friend said she drove past me when I was walking home from the plot one evening, and said I was walking like I was drunk. As I don't actually drink at all, I clearly wasn't, I was simply so tired that I found it hard to walk in a straight line.

    One thing I really don't understand though is if you simply ploughed the horsetail in, why didn't it re-grow from all the bits? Mine re-grows from pieces so small you can hardly see them.
    A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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    • Yesterday was mainly horsetail, both pulling it out of the beds and digging it out of the tunnel. I also harvested the rest of the row of spinach nearest the tunnel, bringing home a carrier bag full for the freezer. There are just a few carrots (and rather more horsetail) in that end of the bed now, which I may harvest soon so that I can use the space for a courgette.

      Today I cut the grass paths and trimmed the long bits round the edges of the plot. While I was clearing up afterwards I found an elephant hawk moth https://butterfly-conservation.org/1...hawk-moth.html. The caterpillar feeds on willowherb - sounds about right!

      As well as digging more horsetail I also weeded the carrots in the tunnel - these are disappearing and there are now about 25 left. I'm hoping at least some will grow, but I'm beginning to doubt it. The slugs and snails are also making a mess of the cabbages and kohlrabi I planted in the tunnel despite the copper rings I put round each plant.
      A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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      • I note horsetail does not like cultivated ground. It prefers to lurk on paving and edges of walls.
        Try putting "Dirt Soil Rock & Compost Sieve Sifter" into YouTube search.
        Hope this is of use
        Jimmy
        Expect the worst in life and you will probably have under estimated!

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        • Yesterday I did 2 1 hour sessions of digging horsetail as it was cloudy so not too hot. The first was in the tunnel and the 2nd digging the path beside the tunnel. I also pulled more of the stuff out of some of the raised beds.

          Managed to fit in another half hour this morning as I got up early. I also harvested a good handful of peas, a beetroot and the obligatory bag of spinach. The spinach has nearly finished now. One of the leaves I picked had a cluster of small black insects on it which at first I thought were blackfly. On closer inspection they were ladybird larvae, probably only just hatched. I put the leaf back in the hotbed so they could help themselves to the aphids that are living on the lettuces.

          This evening I went back to water and planted out some nasturtiums in the bean bed.
          A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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          • Today was DIY day, putting up a shelf and some hooks in the shed. Thanks to Geepee for help with this and also for tightening the bolts on the lawnmower - hopefully I won't lose any more of the nuts now.

            Other than that I pulled some horsetail, weeded the tomatoes and mulched them with compost and harvested a couple of carrots from the hotbed (there are not many of these), a turnip nearly the size of a tennis ball, a bag full of spinach and a couple of sticks of rhubarb. I also chopped up a bit of the pile of leylandii, just to remind it that I haven't forgotten it is there!
            A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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            • Yesterday I didn't have a great deal of time, but got a bit of digging done on the path between the tunnel and hotbed. I harvested a couple of carrots from the hotbed (both somewhat slug damaged) plus some spinach and one of the cauliflowers (again suffering from slugs). There were also a couple of ripe strawberries with small enough slug holes to be mostly edible. I got a chance to compare these with Honeoye from home and they were much less tasty. As Honeoye is my least favourite of the ones I grow at home (in order of decreasing preference the others are Just Add Cream, Marshmello and Elsanta), I won't be particularly bothered to dig the plants up and get rid of them when they have finished fruiting. The bed is infested with horsetail so I am going to have to dig them up anyway.

              Today turned into mostly a planting and sowing day. Having potted up peppers and tomatoes at my friend's and sown runner beans, brokali and peas at home as well as potting up some lettuce seedlings, I took 2 pots of leeks and 2 calabrese plants to the allotment. I also had 2 cucumber plants that Geepee brought for me on Friday. All of these went in the tunnel. I had 2 MFBs that had the bottoms cut off and I'd put some copper tape round them to deter slugs. I half buried these and filled them with compost then planted the cucumbers in them. I scattered some "slug gone" pellets around the pots.

              Next to the cucumbers I planted the summer leeks. These are replacements for some I sowed earlier in the onion bed, which have germinated but simply haven't grown. There were 15 reasonably sized seedlings which should hopefully give me some autumn leeks. The variety is Bulgaarse Reuzen Lincoln, which I have not grown before. It is not hardy so will have to be eaten before the frosts start.

              Then I planted the winter leeks at the other end of the tunnel, next to the carrots. These are Northern Lights, which apparently have purple/blue foliage over winter. These were going to be planted in the leek bed next to the raspberries, but the Albana and Oarsman that I sowed there earlier have done so badly that I decided the best thing to do with that bed was to dig it thoroughly and get rid of the horsetail ready for next year. I scattered slug gone around all of the leeks.

              Finally I planted the 2 calabrese plants next to the kohlrabi. These are decent sized plants with 4 good strong leaves, and they will have to be judging by the mess the slugs have made of the kohlrabi, but I have to put these somewhere. The plants have copper rings round the stems and more slug gone around them.

              Fingers crossed that the slugs and snails don't annihilate the day's work over night!
              A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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              • 2 decent sessions at the plot today. This morning I dug a bit more of the path between the tunnel and the raised beds - this is nearly done now, but the bit that is left is difficult as there is grass and horsetail growing through the tunnel net. I also chopped a bit of the leylandii pile and cut the grass. Harvested a beetroot for lunch.

                This afternoon I went back and dug a few stray bits of horsetail out of the bed near the rhubarb and also dug the path between that bed and the hotbed as much as I could without disturbing the strawberries. I planted the courgette plant in the bed I'd just dug, protecting it with a copper ring and some slug gone. I then harvested some strawberries (slightly slug damaged) and a bag full of spinach for tea - the leaves are getting smaller but are still very edible, and some are still bigger than the ones I normally manage to grow at home.
                Last edited by Penellype; 11-06-2018, 08:34 PM.
                A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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                • Yesterday I finished off digging the path between the raised beds and the tunnel. As always I will have missed a lot of the horsetail so I'll have to do it all again later. I pulled some bits of horsetail out of the raised beds too. I also harvested some beetroot and a few strawberries that had escaped the slugs. There were some heavy showers around in the afternoon but they missed York and as everywhere was very dry there was a lot of watering to do. I decided to take a bottle of water down to the plot every time I go. Its only 2 litres a time, but its better than nothing and will help the water in the bins to last longer.

                  Today I went down in the morning when it was quite hot and sunny and trimmed the long bits of grass that the mower had missed and some nettles in the hedge, then chopped some of the leylandii pile (which is starting to look a little smaller). I brought home more strawberries - I'm picking these slightly under-ripe which seems to get them mostly before the slugs do.

                  I went back in the afternoon when it had clouded over and harvested a bucket of potatoes - supposedly Maris Bard, but not (see this thread https://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gr...oes_97025.html). The compost was very dry despite watering them every day. Having got them out of the way I dug out the horsetail that was growing around and under the bucket, and forked over the part of the west side of the tunnel which isn't planted up, removing quite a bit more horsetail.

                  Having done enough digging I tied some string round the sugar peas which are quite tall and looked as though they might get blown down in the gale tomorrow. I then harvested a cauliflower which had grown quite big but was badly damaged by slugs. I also picked some peas and watered everything. We desperately need some rain, hopefully it will arrive tonight.
                  A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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                  • We got some rain in Preston last night but need much more.
                    Unfortunately we now have strong winds which are not wanted.
                    Jimmy
                    Expect the worst in life and you will probably have under estimated!

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                    • We had about a millimetre of rain last night which is nowhere near enough. The wind is now really gusty and ripping leaves off the trees, and as I am unable to go to the allotment to deal with anything at the moment I am not looking forward to assessing the damage later.
                      A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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                      • I'm in the same boat, Penellype - I dared not stop on the way to work with the winds still high and no real time to fix any damage, so I'll look in on the way home. Fingers crossed.

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                        • Originally posted by 1Bee View Post
                          I'm in the same boat, Penellype - I dared not stop on the way to work with the winds still high and no real time to fix any damage, so I'll look in on the way home. Fingers crossed.
                          Good luck - I am about to go and look at mine...
                          A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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                          • Yesterday morning I had time to nip down and collect up the water from the overnight rain (there was a total of about a watering can full). It was breezy but the really gusty stuff was still to come. While I was there the tomato cover, which I had left open over night, very nearly blew off. I closed it even though it was forecast to be sunny, as I didn't want to lose the cover.

                            When I got home I was greeted by a huge gust of wind, which tipped over one of my tomato growhouses, ripped part of the fruit cage net off its frame and moved the cloche covering the tomatoes I planted out the day before, flattening the plants and slicing one of them off at ground level. I did all I could in the short time I had left to anchor everything, and fortunately that worked. But I spent the rest of the day (I was busy and couldn't go to check) worrying about what I would find at the plot.

                            (oops pressed the wrong button - long pause while I resize all the photos.........)
                            Last edited by Penellype; 15-06-2018, 07:15 AM.
                            A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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                            • Hope you didnt suffer too much damage Pen' ?

                              We had the High winds too, bashed and broken off Potato tops thaat were just in flower .
                              Fortunately my Plastic Tomato GH withstood it OK, so I'm pleased I went to the trouble of Reinforcing it with a timber frame initially.
                              , at least its safe......this time.
                              Never Let the BAD be the Enemy of the GOOD

                              Conservation and Preservation for the Future Generation

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                              • This is what I found:

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                                Spinach flattened. Curiously it has fallen towards the south and west although the wind direction was from the south west (the same thing happened at home - the tomato growhouse and cloche moved towards the wind direction). I'm not complaining as this way it has left the beetroot uncovered.

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                                Beans unravelled from their supports (hard to see). The string I used to tie up the sugar peas has worked well.

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                                Fleece shredded from the empty bed (failed leeks).

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                                Small bits of fleece all over the plot ( again these have blown towards the wind direction!) The potatoes have survived unscathed, surprisingly.

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                                Mr Toad's house in the tunnel unravelled and blown about. No sign of Mr Toad.

                                It could have been a lot worse!
                                Last edited by Penellype; 15-06-2018, 07:30 AM.
                                A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP. - Leonard Nimoy

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