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  • #1

    Aminopyralid

    One day I will laugh about this

    Here are two builders bags of contaminated manure; plus a heap from the original potato bed, plus the tyres with manky potatoes in. I have at least this amount again, plus two beds that I am still raking this stuff out.

    I just wanted to warn anyone; CHECK YOUR SOURCES.



    This hasn't gone away.

    *Insert expletive of your choice here*

    *added 29th July...

    Ben Raskin at the Soil Association has set up a simple google form to log instances of aminopyralid and clopyralid damage to crops. Victims of contaminated manure / compost can log it at the web address below. This will help to form a broader picture of the scale of the problem.

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewf...aWZZNHAzcHc6MQ
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    Last edited by zazen999; 29-06-2010, 12:46 PM.

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  • #2
    I hope that you really will be able to laugh about it one day - nut I imagine it's a living nightmare at the moment. Hope you get it all sorted soon.
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    • #3
      Personally am too scared to use any of the local manure for fear of the same problem. Can get hold of some chicken poo which I know is fine but it's not the same and I'd love to be able to give a good winter mulch of pony poo.................

      Some of us live in the past, always talking about back then. Some of us live in the future, always planning what we are going to do. And, then there are those, who neither look behind or ahead, but just enjoy the moment of right now.

      Which one are you and is it how you want to be?

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      • #4
        whats aminopyralid?
        http://pot-to-plot.blogspot.com/ My brand spanking new plot

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        • #5
          How can you be sure it's ok. We had a load from a farm and we had to take the farmer's word that it was ok . Luckily everything seems to be growing ok .
          What a nightmare having to rake that lot up . Can you get some form of compensation ?
          S*d the housework I have a lottie to dig
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          • #6
            As far as I know the only way you can tell it's OK is to try growing some quick seeds on it before you put it all over the place. Seem to remember that lettuce seeds are recomended but am guessing that Zazen can tell you for sure

            Some of us live in the past, always talking about back then. Some of us live in the future, always planning what we are going to do. And, then there are those, who neither look behind or ahead, but just enjoy the moment of right now.

            Which one are you and is it how you want to be?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Alison View Post
              Personally am too scared to use any of the local manure for fear of the same problem. Can get hold of some chicken poo which I know is fine but it's not the same and I'd love to be able to give a good winter mulch of pony poo.................
              And you should be; it looks like we got it because the supplier of the straw/feed to our farmer was ill and he got contractors in and they MAY have used it. So neither the farmer OR the supplier would have known about it.

              Originally posted by binley100 View Post
              How can you be sure it's ok. We had a load from a farm and we had to take the farmer's word that it was ok . Luckily everything seems to be growing ok .
              What a nightmare having to rake that lot up . Can you get some form of compensation ?
              LOL! We might not even get the money back for the manure in the first place; first steps though are to get it removed....

              Originally posted by sewer rat View Post
              I hope that you really will be able to laugh about it one day - nut I imagine it's a living nightmare at the moment. Hope you get it all sorted soon.
              Thanks; the guy from DOW is hopefully getting it removed; plus other 10 loads that people have got round the village on other plots

              Originally posted by crazii_c View Post
              whats aminopyralid?
              Aminopyralid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

              It is a herbicide use like weed and feed on farms; and it basically comes out the other end of cows/horses and when it comes into contact with soil and crops such as toms/potatoes/beans/peas/raspberries - haults their uptake of nitrogen thus causing the plants to be stunted/gnarled and in effect, useless.

              Oh, and to top it off - you can't just stack it somewhere and leave it to break down. Without it being in contact with the soil it just sits there waiting for you to spread it. and THEN it starts to have an effect. So to clean it, it has to be on soil, and rotavated every few months to keep it in contact, and it can take up to 2 years to be able to use it properly again.

              I just want to publicise the fact that it is still out there, and still affecting crops....and has been relicensed so be careful people!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Alison View Post
                As far as I know the only way you can tell it's OK is to try growing some quick seeds on it before you put it all over the place. Seem to remember that lettuce seeds are recomended but am guessing that Zazen can tell you for sure
                Yes, or mix it with normal compost and pop a spare tomato in it and see if it looks healthy 3 weeks later.

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                • #9
                  We had a load from a farm and we had to take the farmer's word that it was ok

                  you make it sound as if farmers are not to be trusted

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by solway cropper View Post
                    We had a load from a farm and we had to take the farmer's word that it was ok

                    you make it sound as if farmers are not to be trusted

                    Where's the tongue in cheek smiley when you need it...

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                    • #11
                      The annoying thing is you try to do things the proper way, the sustainable way, the organic way, then you get a kick in the teeth for it.............
                      My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                      to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                      Diversify & prosper


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                      • #12
                        Not that people don't trust the farmer necessarily SC, but it's a fact - what else can you do but take the farmer's word that it's safe, or, not bother at all? And in Zazen's case, they DID have the farmer's word that it was safe! Most will have a good idea whether the pasture/haylage/silage was clean, having produced it themselves. But straw often comes in from another source, and keeping track of that can be difficult.

                        I had a long chat with a breeding/beef farmer about this the other day, and he says that the feed he produces for his cows never has anything sprayed on it, but that he couldn't guarantee that the straw was clean.

                        I'm very lucky in that the manure I get comes via my lottie neighbour who works with horses and spent several days ringing people to check that our supply is clean. I had some bagged stuff 2 years ago that killed off a newly planted bed of raspberries, so I didn't want to get stung again!

                        Mebbe green manures are the way to go...

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                        • #13
                          Indeed Sarz. We waited 2 years before getting any [and we have thick clay soil] to make sure that it wasn't contaminated; and in doing so we copped the bad batch.

                          If we'd gone with getting some in year 1 or 2, we'd have been fine.

                          We are going back to home made compost, cardboard, coffee grounds and sawdust to put organic back in, and sticking with comfrey and nettle teas to fertilise.

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                          • #14
                            OH zaz, so sorry Thanks for the reissued warning tho, will keep an eye on our plot to check. Will pass the word rround our site too, as a lot of people had to source our own supply as the site delivery was so small.
                            Good luck with the hard work ahead.
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                            • #15
                              Remember to do your own "bean" test on any manure, BEFORE you spread any manure on your ground. For details of test, see this page :- manure_contamination

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