Monsanto's Roundup Triggers Over 40 Plant Diseases, Endangers Human and Animal Health

**planetologist** · 30-01-2011, 03:35 PM

"we like to think that there's a little piece of us in everyone
... cause we're Monsanto..."
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**oldie** · 30-01-2011, 04:00 PM

There are a number internet sites showing the documentary "The World according to Monsanto". I've seen the French one which is full of conspiracy theories along with prejudged and biased opinions. More worryingly there are a lot of facts which can't really be ignored.

**Snadger** · 30-01-2011, 04:13 PM

You have to make your own mind up, but a supposed 'safe' chemical which can't be used near waterways because it is toxic to all aquatic life has no place in modern society in my view!

**smallblueplanet** · 30-01-2011, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Snadger View Post

You have to make your own mind up, but a supposed 'safe' chemical which can't be used near waterways because it is toxic to all aquatic life has no place in modern society in my view!

Seems a very sensible view to me Snadge, I'm with you!

**chris** · 30-01-2011, 09:27 PM

Either way, this is why I try to be as organic as possible.. even if it means some late nights in summer with a pair of scissors, or back ache from weeding!

Drain dude who came found massive roots in our drains, so I had to cut a conifer down - he was advising me what posion to use to kill the stump.. I was like, well as it's so close to the drains, if I DID use it, surely some would make its way into the drains? He shrugged as said people pour worse down them!

I'll just dig it out bit by bit I think!

**solway cropper** · 30-01-2011, 09:31 PM

One of the reasons many of us grow our own is precisely because if we don't we have no idea what we are eating.

When I started working in forestry forty-odd years ago we would regularly use herbicides containing 2-4-D and 2-4-5-T which are active ingredients in agent orange, the defoliant used in the Vietnam war. Sometimes I got drenched with the stuff and it brought on rashes and heaven knows what else. One of the reasons why I'm against the use of such things now.

For the small-scale grower there are always alternatives to using chemical sprays. They might be harder work but you know they are not going to have unseen consequences.

see what I've been up tothe recycled gardener

**Potstubsdustbins** · 30-01-2011, 09:38 PM

Whilst I do not have enough information to argue either for or against glyphosate.

I always start from one point 'there are three sides to every argument. In this case (a) for glyphosate. (b) against glyphosate (c) the truth.

I take this stand point because it always seems that both parties have a vested interest and therefore will colour the evidence to suit their own point of view.

I note in the article that the years previous crop had been sprayed with 'a glyphosate herbicide like Roundup' but then the author spends the rest of his time on this one particular brand.

Before I jumped in I would want to know does any other company produce a glyphosate herbicide, do they produce it in different strengths, was it Roundup used or another product, etc etc.

I personally keep fish in a pond in my garden and would not use anything that would endanger them, which sometimes leads to a lot of head scratching if I need a bug killer.

But in this argument as in all others I would love to find that rarest of animals a Truely Independent Expert.

Colin.

**smallblueplanet** · 30-01-2011, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Potstubsdustbins View Post

...But in this argument as in all others I would love to find that rarest of animals a Truely Independent Expert.

Colin.

How can this ever be possible? It can't we live in the world and are part of it - objective how?

**Kristen** · 30-01-2011, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Potstubsdustbins View Post

But in this argument as in all others I would love to find that rarest of animals a Truely Independent Expert.

I like to see citations / links to peer reviewed science in such articles. Otherwise its hard to tell if its just someone's rant.

**King Carrot** · 30-01-2011, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Kristen View Post

I like to see citations / links to peer reviewed science in such articles. Otherwise its hard to tell if its just someone's rant.

Just as long as they're nothing like the scientists in the climate gravy train trough

**Kristen** · 31-01-2011, 08:30 AM

Indeed. But we know about them now, so I think the system works - even if it takes a while.

**smallblueplanet** · 31-01-2011, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Kristen View Post

I like to see citations / links to peer reviewed science in such articles. Otherwise its hard to tell if its just someone's rant.

What particular journals are acceptable? Who are the 'peers'? All very well saying be scientific - but as King Carrot says how will you know who's funding the science?

**oldie** · 31-01-2011, 10:34 AM

Slightly off topic but the following is interesting:- EMR project grows zero-pesticide residue fruit | Grower Bulletin | Horticulture Week

**Capsid** · 31-01-2011, 11:35 AM

I had a look at PubMed which is where the peer reviewed journal articles are listed and give abstracts of the publications. I did a search for glyphosate and fusarium and found no papers that support the article of the OP.

You can check what the authors' affiliations are as these are listed and any source of funding is mentioned too in the full articles.

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