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    Two people have been arrested in connection with the death of a man who was found with serious head injuries in an alleyway. The 55-year-old was discovered near the Royal Court Hotel in Lowestoft, Suffolk, on Wednesday night.

    He ...died the next day. A 16-year-old boy and a 22-year-old man have been arrested on suspicion of murder and are being questioned.


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    I am so upset by this story, of yet another senseless, violent death. I remember a similar story last year .. a man attacked in the town and left for dead. Also of the murder of a woman in the town 3 years ago: A 36-year-old man reversed his Land Rover over his girlfriend's head after an argument in a Lowestoft pub (a notorious dive of a place, in the old red-light area). Her body was found several days later in the boot of the car.

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    I lived on this road until 5 months ago. It is notorious for rough drinkers and trouble. The Royal Court Hotel is indicative of the area, and is described online as "a dosshouse", "vile", "filthy"
    It is in the poorest part of a poor town, full of B&Bs which no longer house holidaymakers, but homeless people on benefits.

    There has been an influx of immigrants (from other parts of the UK as well as other countries) to the town in recent years, on benefits or very low agri wages, and there is a generation of people who have never worked, adding to the feeling of desolation and uselessness of the place (there are no big employers any more (Sanyo, Birds Eye); factories have closed down; our shipbuilding and fishing industries have disappeared).

    I was frequently woken at night by drunken youths screaming, shouting and banging on doors, breaking windows. Twice my own door was nearly kicked in at 2am, by drunken young men, turned out from the local nightclub. I rang the police, who didn't come. There were prostitutes plying their trade in the flat upstairs.

    I had to live there because I was on benefits myself, and could not afford anything better. I am so grateful that I met Mr Sheds and was able to move to a safer place (although we still have our windows banged by drunk youths).

    It used to be a cr@ppy seaside town when I was a teenager - now it is a depressing and dangerous place. It's days like these that I despair for this country.
    Last edited by Two_Sheds; 06-12-2008, 07:28 AM.
    All gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.

  • #2
    Blooming heck! Scary times we live in. Hope where you have moved to is more select Two_Sheds.
    Happy Gardening,
    Shirley

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    • #3
      Its horrible when something like this happens near you. Recently someone was killed near here and the kids ( of the chap who died ) go to my daughters school, they were stopped and questioned on way to school. This happened on a council estate not very far from us. I was brought up on a council estate and fortunatly for us it wasnt a rough area but most ( not all ) are now no go area's for most people. My daughter has been asked by someone if she would like to go for a sleepover, no way no how would I allow it and she doesnt rally like the girl anyway.
      Gardening ..... begins with daybreak
      and ends with backache

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      • #4
        I'm not saying we dont have problems where I live now, but its things like that, that made me leave England.
        Happens too often to too many innocent people.
        Bob Leponge
        Life's disappointments are so much harder to take if you don't know any swear words.

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        • #5
          How sad. Bob, I can see your point. My OH doesn't even have a passport and he keeps mentioning leaving the country.

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          • #6
            Scary isn't it. Hubby and I currently live in Ayrshire but will probably be moving back to Glasgow. Neither of us are from "bad" areas in Glasgow but the last flat we owned was in a hell hole. The development won awards from everyone and their granny, purpose built for disabled people. The neds constantly broke into our building - these neds were still in primary school Weeing in the lift. Vandalism. Last straw was coming back home, we turned a corner and a man was stabbed to death about 15 metres away. It was a bright, sunny Sunday afternoon in August. We met one of our old neighbours a few months ago and he told us it had got worse after we left. He thankfully managed to sell up, as well. I don't know what the solution is but I think it has to be drastic to stop these feral sub-humans from acting out their mindless violence.
            Last edited by FROSTYFRECKLE; 05-12-2008, 04:45 PM.

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            • #7
              I was just reading this story in the paper...it is horrendous & so sad that not only this poor chap had to lose his life for probably just being in the wrong place at the wrong time...but also the needless misery his family must be going through.We're quite a distance frrom Lowestoft,but being from Ipswich know how hard it hits when something like this happens on your doorstep!Less than a month after Steve Wright was arrested two blokes turned up at the Ipswich police station with the naked body of a lady they'd kindly picked up in the pub...she was apparently feeling a little vulnerable,so they took her off..raped & strangled her...When their pic was shown in the paper,a friend & I recognised them as chaps that "showed an interest"on one of our few girlie nights out...thankfully we're both way passed being interested in being picked up!!But it did send shivers!It's horrible,cos I've always(until recently)preferred to see the best in all until proven wrong...but I'm afraid my faith in people is not what it was.
              Like you,I totally despair sometimes for what the future holds for this country!
              the fates lead him who will;him who won't they drag.

              Happiness is not having what you want,but wanting what you have.xx

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Two_Sheds View Post
                Two people have been arrested in connection with the death of a man who was found with serious head injuries in an alleyway. The 55-year-old was discovered near the Royal Court Hotel in Lowestoft, Suffolk, on Wednesday night.

                He ...died the next day. A 16-year-old boy and a 22-year-old man have been arrested on suspicion of murder and are being questioned.

                The Royal Court Hotel is indicative of the area, and is described online as "a dosshouse", "vile", "filthy"
                It is in the poorest part of a poor town, full of B&Bs which no longer house holidaymakers, but homeless people on benefits.(
                Yes, and these people are placed in these doss-houses by Waveney District Council!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do they check these places out before they place people there, or are they just the cheapest in town?? Some people presenting to the council as homeless are in genuine need, and deserve somewhere better.

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                • #9
                  Think majority of councils are just as bad.A few years ago I knew a young couple that had both worked so hard to kick a heroin addiction & were pretty much winning the battle....until the council decided to house them in a block of flats reknowned for having more than it's fair share of users/dealers!Yep,each individual has a personal responsibility for themselves...but I so think they deserved a bit more consideration as to where they were housed.(this was several years ago...who knows if policies have changed,but I'm afraid I doubt it!)
                  the fates lead him who will;him who won't they drag.

                  Happiness is not having what you want,but wanting what you have.xx

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by andi&di View Post
                    Think majority of councils are just as bad...they deserved a bit more consideration as to where they were housed.
                    It's all about money, or lack of it. Lack of social housing means people are forced to live in these dosshouses.
                    I was forced onto benefits by cancer ... yet I didn't qualify for social housing, because I wasn't "homeless" and I had no kids. I had to fend for myself in the private sector ... and choose from the worst, dampest, nastiest flats in town, because rents are high and benefits are low.

                    It is a myth that benefits pay for all your outgoings: Housing Benefit doesn't even cover all your rent if you're not on Income Support, nor does it cover all your Council Tax: you have to make it up out of your Jobseekers or Incapacity, so you have to make cuts elsewhere: food, electric, clothing.
                    Sorry, bit of a rant here.

                    If we want to improve society, we need to improve our housing stock, for starters, or we're going to have slums like in the bad old days.

                    We also need the police to actually be out on the streets, as a deterrant to crime (cctv does not prevent crimes). Sorry, old chestnut.
                    All gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Two_Sheds View Post
                      We also need the police to actually be out on the streets, as a deterrant to crime (cctv does not prevent crimes).
                      Totally agree about policing, but they can't always be in the right place at the right time. CCTV would help if it was used properly (i.e. constantly monitored and used to alert police to problems so they can get there quickly). There is a rumour that some of our our cameras are "dummy" ones anyway!!

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                      • #12
                        I have been reading these posts with interest & I think this may be relevant.
                        B. F. Skinner
                        The river Trent is lovely, I know because I have walked on it for 18 years.
                        Brian Clough

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                        • #13
                          we've not long moved to Downham Market in Norfolk from Wisbech in Cambridgeshire (Wisbech and its social problems a whole different ball game) anyway, I can't believe the police presence on the streets in Downham, I was starting to feel like the queen this past few weeks, they are literally out every time I am out which tends to be evenings and weekends as I don't work here. Very strange for such a small market town I reckon, not sure what it is all about?!

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                          • #14
                            Bubblewrap ~ which particular bit of Skinner?

                            conditioning?
                            reinforcement?
                            desensitisation?

                            I remember him from my Psych O' level
                            All gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Two_Sheds View Post
                              Bubblewrap ~ which particular bit of Skinner?

                              conditioning?
                              reinforcement?
                              desensitisation?

                              I remember him from my Psych O' level
                              Desensitisation
                              People forced to live in poor cramped living conditions with little chance of escape.
                              But to a certain degree all three.
                              It seems to me that most of the problems mentioned in the posts on this thread are relating to areas of social exclusion.
                              The river Trent is lovely, I know because I have walked on it for 18 years.
                              Brian Clough

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