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    Default Grafting onto Olive trees

    Hiya!

    I will hopefully soon be moving into a new house. It has a couple of orchard sized plots with olive trees in. I don't, however, want olive trees!

    What I would like to do is graft other trees onto them. I presume I would cut the branches down and graft branches of other trees onto them?

    The types of tree I would like would be
    Pomegranete
    Orange
    Lemon
    Almond
    Apple
    Pear
    Plum
    Apricot
    etc. Basically anything but Olive! (I want the space, and there aren't enough to make oil from anyway!).

    So, the question is, is this possible? With all of them? Any of them? None of them?

    I have done an awful lot of web searching, and whilst there is a lot of information about grafting olive trees, I cannot find any about grafting anything else onto them So here I turn, as I know some other members here also have homes in Spain.

    The obvious reason I wish to graft is because the olives are established with a good root system, and the soil here is not very good quality - a lot of clay and very stony. The house is up a mountain, btw, if that helps...

    Sorry for the long question, but I hope you can see it's pretty specific and there is not a lot of information out there.

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    Gosh- that's an interesting idea!!!

    ( I'm absolutely no use to you though!!!!)

    ..should be interesting!!
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    As I am desperate to get my olive trees to grow, all I can say is I am so envious......
    Sorry not to be a help

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    I'm pretty sure that in order to graft successfully, you would need to use scions and cuttings from the same genus, which in this case would be Olea. Otherwise it would be like transfusing blood from a koala to a human...incompatible biochemistry and immune system rejection. To successfully match different species would be a one in a million longshot, I'd imagine. (Although I'm pretty sure Mother Nature has been known to manage it, she spends a bit more time and effort than you are likely to.)
    That's why you don't get oranges grafted onto apple rootstocks, or pomegranates on olive trees...
    As far as I know !!

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    Can see where you're coming from with that snohare...and then I found this...(it's a bit heavy going in parts but it gives examples of what crosses used to be done... Olive onto a lot of others but nothing mentioned about something onto an oliv)....


    Notes on Ancient Grafting ? TAPA*64:66?76 (1933)

    May be there are some more modern, tolerant plants these days of course???
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    Wow, very interesting Nicos ! Of course many of the old Greek and other classical writers, even the more "reliable" ones like Aristotle, were notoriously gullible at believing what they read or were informed of by other sources. But it makes me wonder - especially given that I have read in modern arboriculture texts of natural crosses between entirely different species of trees - if perhaps the "can't graft" idea is a bit of an accepted myth of the modern era. It wouldn't be the first time a Victorian horticultural textbook said something widely believed even though it was hogwash. And medical science does this all the time !
    Sorry this debate doesn't help you Zenithtb, but I'm awfully glad you did post about it. Maybe the best thing you can do is just try it...

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    Well, as the next stage would be ripping up 20+ olive trees by their roots with a JCB, I gotta be honest, I'll try >anything< first!

    If anyone comes up with anything I'd love to hear about - it would help me choose the scale of the experement

    And thank you for that link Nicos - it does seem to give some hope, methinks!
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    It would be a pity to rip them up

    (The fields surrounding my house are full of apple orchards and spotty cows grazing beneath the mistletoed trees. That's part of the charm of this area.)

    If you can't graft onto them-couldn't you use the land for something else and let the locals have the olives- I'm sure they'd be thrilled to take them off your hands for free- you'd get loads of brownie points

    maybe clear a small area- there is only so much fruit/nuts you can eat unless you're intending to sell commercially???
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