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  • Gooseberry / Blackberry Cross?

    We've just been given 2 gooseberry / blackberry cross plants from one of our neighbours on the allotment, she had about 7 of them and wanted to thin them out to get some other varieties of fruit into her plot, so offered us 2 of them for nowt! Has anyone ever heard of this type of plant before? Does it have a proper name, or are we having ur legs pulled here?

    Apparently they are fairly bushy, have gooseberry type spikes, fruit fairly heavily with a gooseberry shaped red/black fruit which is very sweet and tasty! They are just going dormant now, so wont have any idea what the fruit will be like until they fruit up next year, so its going to be a long wait till then and I thought some of you may have some ideas or experience that you wouldnt mind sharing!

    We've planted them in our bottom raised bed, where they will be incorporated into a fedge with some brambles, some more rasps () , a loganberry and some gooseberries (when we finally get round to ordering some goosegogs!)
    Blessings
    Suzanne (aka Mrs Dobby)

    'Garden naked - get some colour in your cheeks'!

    The Dobby's Pumpkin Patch - an Allotment & Beekeeping blogspot!
    Last updated 16th April - Video intro to our very messy allotment!
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    On Dark Ravens Wing - a pagan blog of musings and experiences

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    Never heard of them but there are a lot of cross soft fruits which can be great. I wouldn't be without our tayberry which, although more well known is never the less a cross. Have tried googling it but no luck although they do sound very like red gooseberries, are you sure that your plot neighbour isn't just confused? Mind you, as you've got the space will be interesting to see how you get on next year and you'll get a better idea when you see the fruit.

    Some of us live in the past, always talking about back then. Some of us live in the future, always planning what we are going to do. And, then there are those, who neither look behind or ahead, but just enjoy the moment of right now.

    Which one are you and is it how you want to be?

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    • #3
      Mrs D. They are Jostaberries.
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      • #4
        I thought that jostaberries were a blackCURRANT / gooseberry cross! What are they called then?

        Some of us live in the past, always talking about back then. Some of us live in the future, always planning what we are going to do. And, then there are those, who neither look behind or ahead, but just enjoy the moment of right now.

        Which one are you and is it how you want to be?

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        • #5
          Thanks LJ! At least I've heard of them now!

          Alison, no idea what they are called, but sounds interesting!
          Blessings
          Suzanne (aka Mrs Dobby)

          'Garden naked - get some colour in your cheeks'!

          The Dobby's Pumpkin Patch - an Allotment & Beekeeping blogspot!
          Last updated 16th April - Video intro to our very messy allotment!
          Dobby's Dog's - a Doggy Blog of pics n posts - RIP Bella gone but never forgotten xx
          On Dark Ravens Wing - a pagan blog of musings and experiences

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          • #6
            Alison you are right. I got my berries and currants mixed up!!!
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            • #7
              I'm sure the person giving us them said they were blackberry / gooseberry cross, but she could have been wrong, suppose we will have to wait until next year to find out! lol!
              Blessings
              Suzanne (aka Mrs Dobby)

              'Garden naked - get some colour in your cheeks'!

              The Dobby's Pumpkin Patch - an Allotment & Beekeeping blogspot!
              Last updated 16th April - Video intro to our very messy allotment!
              Dobby's Dog's - a Doggy Blog of pics n posts - RIP Bella gone but never forgotten xx
              On Dark Ravens Wing - a pagan blog of musings and experiences

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              • #8
                Had a quick search and found this
                Soi dit Worcesterberry was thought to be a cross between Blackcurrant and Gooseberry but is now though to be actually Ribes divaricatum.
                Jostaberry is a hybrid between blackcurrant-gooseberry and R. divaricatum.Jostaberry is a true hybrid, the product of a complex breeding programme by Dr. R. Bauer of the Max Plank Institute in Cologne. Any use?

                ps The bushes are vigorous, upright and spineless. Unlike other currants the leaves have no scent. It flowers early and often suffers from frost damage. It is resistant to American gooseberry mildew, gall mite, blackcurrant leaf spot and the white pine blister ant. The black fruits are carried 2 to 5 on short strings, are very rich in Vitamin C and make good jam.
                Last edited by Palustris; 26-11-2006, 09:17 PM.

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                • #9
                  Thanks Palustris! Only got to wait till enxt summer to see the fruit and work out whether it is a Jostaberry and she got the cross wrong, or whether its something unknown!
                  Blessings
                  Suzanne (aka Mrs Dobby)

                  'Garden naked - get some colour in your cheeks'!

                  The Dobby's Pumpkin Patch - an Allotment & Beekeeping blogspot!
                  Last updated 16th April - Video intro to our very messy allotment!
                  Dobby's Dog's - a Doggy Blog of pics n posts - RIP Bella gone but never forgotten xx
                  On Dark Ravens Wing - a pagan blog of musings and experiences

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                  • #10
                    Quite exciting really though, could be a rare find you never know!

                    Some of us live in the past, always talking about back then. Some of us live in the future, always planning what we are going to do. And, then there are those, who neither look behind or ahead, but just enjoy the moment of right now.

                    Which one are you and is it how you want to be?

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                    • #11
                      Oooh! You mean we could copywrite it and sell it fer millions n retire then??
                      Blessings
                      Suzanne (aka Mrs Dobby)

                      'Garden naked - get some colour in your cheeks'!

                      The Dobby's Pumpkin Patch - an Allotment & Beekeeping blogspot!
                      Last updated 16th April - Video intro to our very messy allotment!
                      Dobby's Dog's - a Doggy Blog of pics n posts - RIP Bella gone but never forgotten xx
                      On Dark Ravens Wing - a pagan blog of musings and experiences

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                      • #12
                        They are different species: Blackberry- Rubus, Currants- Ribes. Therefore they should not be able to cross.

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                        • #13
                          Jostaberry is a true hybrid, the product of a complex breeding programme by Dr. R. Bauer of the Max Plank Institute in Cologne.

                          It was released to the public in 1977. Basically it is a blackcurrant/gooseberry/ribes divericatum hybrid.

                          The bushes are vigorous, upright and spineless. Unlike other currants the leaves have no scent. It flowers early and often suffers from frost damage. It is resistant to American gooseberry mildew, gall mite, blackcurrant leaf spot and the white pine blister ant. The black fruits are carried 2 to 5 on short strings, are very rich in Vitamin C and make good jam.

                          The Worcester berry, on the other hand, is a distinct species, ribes divericatum. It makes a vigorous, huge and very spiny bush and is resistant to American gooseberry mildew and big bud mite. It suffers a very odd magnesium deficiency on poor wet soils. The fruit are medium-small dark red to blackish and take a long time to ripen fully. When really ripe they are quite pleasant raw, but better for jam etc.

                          The crosses between blackcurrants and gooseberries are sterile and spineless. Neither of the two berries are proof against gooseberry sawfly.

                          My conclusion: With spines= Worcester Berry,............without spines =Jostaberry Wallah!!! Either way it sounds interesting and should be quite vigorous. I would love a cutting when you prune it please! (Shy bairns get nowt!)
                          My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                          to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                          Diversify & prosper


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                          • #14
                            A false berry or epigynous berry is an accessory fruit found in certain plant species with an inferior ovary, distinguishing it from a true berry. In these species other parts of the flower (including the basal parts of the sepals, petals, and stamens) can ripen along with the ovary, forming the false berry. The fruit of Cucurbitaceae is a false berry called a pepo.

                            Examples of plants which produce false berries include:

                            Banana
                            family Cucurbitaceae
                            Cucumis, like cucumber and canteloupe
                            Watermelon
                            Cucurbita (gourds), like squash and pumpkin
                            genus Ribes, such as gooseberry and the currants (including redcurrant and blackcurrant)
                            genus Vaccinium including blueberry, and cranberry.

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                            • #15
                              ChrisB kindly sent me some jostaberry cuttings a couple of months ago and one of them is going great guns! Got it in the greenhouse at the moment but don't want to soften it up too much. I was hoping it might grow well up here as blackcurrants (flowering and fruit) grow well here.
                              We will have to compare photographs Mrs D (but not yet as mine is only about four inches high!)
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