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    Default New herb garden query and some ideas

    I all, I have a patch of ground I would like to plant up with herbs which is 2.5metres x2.5metres.
    There is a green gauge plum tree in one corner but it's a relatively young tree and the light filters through it as there is not much of a canopy.
    I would like to grow the following herbs :

    thyme
    lavender
    chamomile
    lemon balm
    sage
    bergamont
    feverfew
    calendula
    africa bulbine
    borage
    lime mint
    winter savory
    wild fennel
    myrtle
    tarragon
    rosemary
    garlic chives

    I would like to grow some plants for wildlife too:
    poached egg plant
    ragged robin (likes moist ground)
    harebell
    knautia macedonica
    forehound
    fox gloves
    cosmos
    yellow rattle
    red cover
    egg and bacon plant


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    Are there any considerations I need to make here?
    What would be the most economical way of finding quality plants?
    Should I follow some sort of planting plant or can I just pop them in ?

    I'm going to walk around my allotment and see if there are any plants I can take cuttings from, which may account for quite a few of the herbs listed.

    Any advice most appreciated,

    p.s. I should mention that I have heavy clay but a fair amount of compost has been incorporated over the years so it is now quite friable and easy to work.
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    I'm on heavy clay - the only herb I can't grow seems to be thyme and I love it!
    Foxgloves love dappled shade.
    Rosemary does well from cuttings.
    A$da fo fab herb pots for the garden early spring. They are just a Couple of pounds and they do lots of varieties. I've always had good success with them. They often do lavenda as well.
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    Easy from seed : I have seeds for
    knautia macedonica
    fox gloves
    cosmos
    Calendula
    Maybe garlic chives if I haven't given them out already

    Lemon balm I could give you a cutting if it's sprouted but if it was me I would never put this in my garden!!! It's a weed and it takes over.
    PM me if you want some seed.


    # I think you may need to narrow your list a little? That's not enough space to grow all those...
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    Hi Scarlett, thank you so much for the pointers.
    Send me a PM and tell me how much you want for sending me the seeds, I would love to have them. Seeing as we have similar soik conditions that would be an added benefit.

    I suppose I just want to get started as soon as possible and see what grows especially as some plants take a lot time to get going.
    It would be nice to benefit the environment a little because I don't have herbs or flowers growing anywhere else on my allotment besides a rosemary plant which was on the plot before I took it on and is now a monster. I took a cutting from it last year and it survived , do you think it'll be ready to go out into the ground in spring if it has roots ? It's in a shallow glass of water at the moment.
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    Do you intend to use the herbs for anything or do you just want to grow them?
    I'm asking because if you want to pick leaves regularly you'll need to consider how to reach the plants in the middle of the plot - unless you have long arms.
    You also have some perennials and some annuals so think seriously about where to plant the perennials - especially the taller ones like rosemary because you don't want them to shade anything smaller.
    Also, as Scarlet said, Lemon balm (and mint) can be invasive.
    You should pot up your rosemary cutting once it has roots and let it establish itself before planting out.
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    I think yellow rattle is more a plant for grasslands than flower borders, here's how to grow it if you want to try: https://www.plantlife.org.uk/uk/disc...inanthus-minor

    Garlic chives can be a pest but if you make sure to deadhead you can control it.

    As others have said, both mint and lemon balm will take over and squeeze out all your other plants, so I'd steer clear! It is often suggested you can plant mint in bottomless buckets, but it'll get out pretty fast. I love mint and grow it in large pots on concrete. I know it's time to split/repot when I see it growing out the bottom of the pot....

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    When I was planning my herb yard, I was advised never to plant sage and rosemary together, or near each other, as they do not get on. With any mint & lemon balm plants, best to pot them in separate pots, as the others have rightly pointed out, they can take over.
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    I am on heavy clay. Lavender grows well for me. I also grow Sage, Thyme, Chives, Garlic Chives, various mints, Bergamot, Bay leaves, Rosemary and Borage. I grow French Tarragon and Basil in the greenhouse border.

    I once planted poached egg plants years ago and it self seeds now every year. If anyone grows it on your allotments I'm sure they would be happy for you to dig up some baby plants in Spring.
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