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    caught him in a trap in the shed. but i looked at him did not have the heart to kill so took the trap to the river and let him go

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    He'll be back!
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    • #3
      You broke the law then: you'd better go catch him again!

      * actually that's an urban myth: the view of Defra is that the release of brown/common rats
      (Rattus norvegicus) into the wild is not unlawful under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981
      Last edited by Two_Sheds; 23-03-2010, 08:11 AM.
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      • #4
        KILL MAIM DISFIGURE

        What are you doing letting it go???????
        Bob Leponge
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        • #5
          It's just a big mouse.
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          • #6
            I would say you wasted your money buying the trap...jacob
            What lies behind us,And what lies before us,Are tiny matters compared to what lies Within us ...
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Two_Sheds View Post
              You broke the law then: you'd better go catch him again!

              * actually that's an urban myth: the view of Defra is that the release of brown/common rats
              (Rattus norvegicus) into the wild is not unlawful under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981
              It's a bit weird that the native black rat cannot be released, but the introduced brown rat can. I suppose it derives from the black rat being able to carry plague-fleas, but is this actually a significant issue these days?
              Also of interest is the thing about it being contrary to welfare to release an animal in an unfamiliar area I had an argument about this, several years ago, with a Vegan with very narrow opinions (she disapproved, loud and often, of EVER killing ANYTHING apart from euthanasia, although I remain unconvinced that it really did include flies and wasps) who reckoned that since she released mice in a wood 2 miles from her home she was being 'kinder' than those of us who simply cull them (and that is apart from the fact that most of us don't have access to somewhere far enough from houses, our own and other people's, to avoid the risk of the mouse going straight back, or into someone else's home).
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              • #8
                I'm a bit unsure about the whole catch and release thing... and about humane traps if the intention is to kill. You've got to have a pretty stern view of it all to have a live-catch trap with the intent to kill after.

                I'm actually tempted to swap the humane trap I've got down for our resident mouse for a kill trap for just that reason. Pretty much instant death versus the stress of being unable to escape while a 6 foot tall predator lumberes over to get hold of you. Doesn't seem all that humane in some ways.


                Originally posted by Hilary B View Post
                apart from euthanasia
                I'm guessing that if she heard me laughing at the irony in that she'd wonder why.
                I find it strange how frequently people who feel so strongly about the sanctity of animal life have such opposite views on human life.
                I have no idea why that might be the case, but I'd be interested to find out some day.

                Once upon a time I met a vegan who was completely and utterly sane about it. She was great. I can't remember if it was just before or just after I went veggie for financial reasons but either way she was pretty non-militant when it came to the usual vegan passtime of badgering everyone from omnivores to committed veggies despite what the vegan tattoos she had suggested she'd be like. All the others that I've met (and known about it), including one I used to live, with were a bit more like your friend.

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                • #9
                  Killed and skinned with a few home grown veg you could have had rat salad.
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                  Last edited by bubblewrap; 23-03-2010, 04:10 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by matthew2riches View Post
                    He'll be back!
                    And he'll bring his family and mates!
                    My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                    to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                    Diversify & prosper


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by organic View Post
                      I'm a bit unsure about the whole catch and release thing...
                      If an animal is released in an unfamiliar environment, it's going to have to fight for food and territory.

                      Originally posted by organic View Post
                      I'm actually tempted to swap the humane trap I've got... for a kill trap
                      I use a kill trap in my shed. I was a bit squeamish when I set it, but when I saw the dead mouse I felt relieved: it had died eating Mars bar, and the bar had broken his neck. No blood, no guts.

                      Originally posted by organic View Post
                      the usual vegan passtime of badgering everyone
                      That's a broad brush you're tarring them with. I've been a veggie for 20+ years and am now almost-vegan (I've just realised I'm intolerant to milk)
                      I've never badgered anyone about it, but I do get prickly when people insist on questioning me about my reasons for eating the diet I do, and lecturing me on the dangers of a vegetarian diet (yeah, like kebabs, pasties & sausages are good for you)
                      All gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.

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                      • #12
                        TS
                        That was my view about release into an unfamiliar environment too. The uncertainty was between "dead" and "not ideal but got a chance at least". Obviously my thoughts about going for a kill trap suggest I'm leaning towards the former.

                        It's not so much blood and guts that put me off kill traps but the possibility of injuring rather than killing. That's not something I'd like to be responsible for... instant kill is fine (and I know the chances are they'll trip the bar with their head) but it's the abdomen/limb catches that leave them alive I find offputting. The question there is guaranteed minor and short distress but quick and humane death with a humane trap, or instant kill with the risk of prolonged pain and distress followed by the same quick death as above.
                        Again I'm leaning towards kill traps but it's not as clear cut as I wish it was.

                        As for the vegan bit...
                        ...I was veggie for about 12 to 18 months (the first 3 or 4 for financial reasons and after that because I just wanted to eat that way - I was eating really well too) and I really appreciate good veggie food. While I admit the "usual" bit of that comment was a bit broad... it is my experience that most vegans I've met have badgered meat eaters for that and vegetarians for being inconsistent and hypocritical. I may have had a poor sample group, but that was my experience.

                        As for when people question dietary choices and lecture about them - it gets to me too. In fact, even after I'd gone back to meat eating meat I used to defend the veggies I knew. One time it got into a full on debate about the merits of animal products, cruelty and so on. The conclusion being that based on their claims, around half of the meat eaters in the discussion really should have been vegan.

                        My view is really simple...
                        Eat how you'll eat, the healthier the better. By all means tell people about it, explain the benefits, downfalls and so on - but do so respectfully and accept that some will just disagree.

                        All that said, some of the most consistent arguments in the diet-debate come from vegans. It's an ethical choice followed to conclusion and I do admire that, even though most of the ones I've known have done my head in with badgering or gut-wrenching squeamishness.

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                        • #13
                          Found this thread so amusing that I had to show my other half because he is a vegetarian. He only eats things that eat grass.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Two_Sheds View Post
                            ......................................, and lecturing me on the dangers of a vegetarian diet (yeah, like kebabs, pasties & sausages are good for you)
                            Only cold for breakfast!!!!!!
                            My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                            to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                            Diversify & prosper


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