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  • Glyphosate

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47633086


    Carcinogenic or not, that is the question!
    My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
    to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

    Diversify & prosper



  • #2
    Well I don't have any now and shall not be buying any more.

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    • #3
      I've got 4.5 litres of it left from donkey's years ago. Not very sure how to dispose of it safely.

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      • #4
        I use a little on bindweed, the roots go so far down, it is impossible to dig up more than a few surface roots. One application of glyphosate, painted on the leaves as they emerge, seems to control it for the year, job done.
        I did use it to clear some beds which were badly overgrown with couch grass, when I first took on new plots though - so don't feel I should judge other people who use it to do the same.

        I don't like the idea of farmers using it for crop dessication before harvesting though, I must admit that seems a step too far.

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        • #5
          any pesticide or herbicide is a no no for me.

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          • #6
            Per the BBC story "The European Commission says that the European Food Safety Authority, the European Chemicals Agency and other scientific bodies found no link to cancer in humans."

            The case in CA was decided by a lay jury, hardly a reliable group, and a judge in CA has ordered that coffee carry a cancer warning! The weedkiller in CA had other chemicals in it as well as glyphosate.

            Some people seem to believe man-made bad, natural good. Perhaps they should try a handful of Atropa Belladona or handle Aconites for a long period without gloves.

            How else can I kill the bindweed breaking through the tarmac pavement, or the tsunami of ground elder in my neighbour's garden before it comes through the fence?
            Riddlesdown (S Croydon)

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            • #7
              It's awful enough that glyphosate kill bees and only makes it worse that it's also causing cancer in humans. If it kills one species, wouldn't it be logical to think it's dangerous to all?

              How else, Danny? Be persistent and as stubborn
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              • #8
                Sorry but killing bees while trying to kill a weed is absurd

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                • #9
                  Link to a thread I made on the forum late last year, which was locked, and for good reason as it would have eventually resulted in a slagging match : https://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gr...ate_97412.html


                  I would definitely admit now to having a strong bias against glyphosate and I'm not convinced the independent research that has gone into proving it is safe is either independent or research. I think chemical manufacturer's like Monsanto are so powerful and wealthy they can pay companies to lie and falsify data in order to positively prove a negative. Of course I can't prove this myself, and I wouldn't suggest everything Monsanto does is evil by nature, but every company is interested in creating the most favorable and untarnished market place for it's product, so even if there is no direct evidence that Monsanto is falsifying data, the presumption that they would not consider doing this is at best naive.

                  I think it's right and just that we treat these large and powerful companies with suspicion, if only to keep them on the right track and keep them honest. Treating a company, or anyone for that matter, as so morally virtuous that they are beyond criticism or approach is in my view a big mistake and will only lead to irresponsibility and abuses of power in the long run.

                  It's also worth bearing in mind that up until recently we were not able to assess the impact of such chemicals on the environment, but as new studies are carried out year on year it's looking increasingly likely that they are not as 'safe' for us or the environment as was once believed. We have data to suggest that bee populations are suffering as a result of herbicides and pesticides and as pollinators are key to our survival it makes sense, to me anyway, that that alone is reason enough to try to find alternative ways of managing nature for our benefit. In the mean time that means continuing to use it, but I also think context is absolutely relevant. I totally fail to see how weed killer is necessary in any allotment or home garden scenario as there are easy ways to manage large areas, for example, ground cover, organic mulch.. yes it does work!!!.

                  At the moment yes DannyK is right, you weigh up the positives and negatives of using such a product and take your chances but I think when new information comes to light it will tip the balance to the point where the negatives out way the positives enough for it to be considered 'harmful' and at that point a ban is justified, some countries have already done so, which is eye brow raising enough to sit up and take notice IMO.

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                  • #10
                    I will use it where I need too and where I can get away without it I will not as simple as that. I have a new bottle of Roundup which is Glyphosate Free and I'm going to do some testing myself but I already know the result. The New Non Glyphosate will kill off the foliage faster BUT as it does nothing to the root the weeds will return. where as with the Glyphosate Roundup it will not. So as long as I use it only where I have deep rooted problems like Comfrey which appears not to be Blocking 14 and is spreading on my new plot I'm happy to use the right tool for the right job.
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                    • #11
                      The only time I've used weedkillers is as a last resort is on ivy, brambles, buddleia etc. growing in walls where physical removal would also remove the pointing, and also tree stumps whose location makes them very difficult to dig out.

                      If you do decide to use weedkillers, please closely follow the manufacturer's instructions and take precautions to reduce the risk of exposure to yourself and other wildlife.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SarrissUK View Post
                        It's awful enough that glyphosate kill bees and only makes it worse that it's also causing cancer in humans. If it kills one species, wouldn't it be logical to think it's dangerous to all?

                        How else, Danny? Be persistent and as stubborn
                        I think you are getting confused with Neonicotinoids which are an insecticide and may well kill bees.

                        As for causing cancer I can only repeat the article which says "The European Commission says that the European Food Safety Authority, the European Chemicals Agency and other scientific bodies found no link to cancer in humans."

                        I think we have to use it sparingly as it seems plants are becoming resistant.
                        Last edited by DannyK; 21-03-2019, 01:29 PM. Reason: spelling
                        Riddlesdown (S Croydon)

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                        • #13
                          Hi Danny, I thought the same about neonics as you, but then I came across this: https://www.theguardian.com/environm...research-finds

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                          • #14
                            The clue to me is in the name Weed-KILLER!

                            My main worry is that on the label it states "Harmful to aquatic life" If its harmful to ANY life on earth its worth worrying about. My other worry is the claim that once dry on the leaf it becomes inert? Surely if it was inert, it couldn't have a killing effect on the plant and it would be useless? If the killing effect was only internally within the plant, then surely anything that ate the plant would get poisoned?

                            I have used it before though and I have some concentrate left, but I have come to the conclusion that with all the evidence against it I will not use it again.
                            My Majesty made for him a garden anew in order
                            to present to him vegetables and all beautiful flowers.- Offerings of Thutmose III to Amon-Ra (1500 BCE)

                            Diversify & prosper


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                            • #15
                              That's very interesting. It's very helpful when links are posted as the danger sign of twaddle is the lack of links. As usual there are all the contradictions but I don't spray flowering plants. Wouldn't it be nice if someone trustworthy could examine the facts and report on this.

                              " If it kills one species, wouldn't it be logical to think it's dangerous to all?" I hope someone has given up grapes and chocolate as they kill dogs! Lily pollen kills cats.
                              Riddlesdown (S Croydon)

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