Rose advice

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Hi again folks,
Some advice on 2 rose plants please if possible.
The first rose is a large rambling type and its over 8 feet at its highest. I need to trim this and get it a lot lower so its manageable. How low can I go?
The second is a very small rose with some life left near the bottom. This second rose is to be moved.
Both are sentimental. Varieties / names of roses are not known.
Unsure if this helps but the photo's are taken with myself facing north.
unsure if the images are shown as im a tech idiot.
Thanks in advance
Steve

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I see the images and for extra info the large plant age is well over 30 years we believe and the smaller one is around 20+years and as you can see never amounted to much. The smaller plant needs moving as this area is the new location for 2 x green houses.

[rary]

Looking at your photos I take it the first two pictures are of the small rose, but before you do anything please note I am not a rose expert, as there are green stems showing I would cut back the green stems to the second bud from the base, as for the old wood I would cut that back to about nine inches from the ground with the intentions of pruning it again in early spring or removing it if no buds show, if you intend moving it now give the soil a good soak then in one or two hours dig round the rose making sure you have a good root ball, then lift it out and place in its new prepared position, as for the rambler? I would reduce that to eighteen inches, then again in the spring cutting back to a strong outward facing bud, but looking at the photo I would say it looks more like a shrub rose or possibly a small climbing rose, again please note I am not a rose expert I have put down what I would do with those roses if they were mine
I wish you success with them whatever you do, and would also add that one of the Mods may move your post to a more suitable thread rather than a veg thread

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My bad (again). I have done no research on the forum and did not realise there were so many different sections. Been too busy with retirement to be on line If this post is moved then I fully understand why.
Yes, the first 2 images are the small rose with a close up as image 1 and full plant as image 2. I posted the images as per my query and they "reversed". Must remember that tech is cleverer than myself.
With regards to the small rose, does that need to be transplanted direct into prepped soil now or can it be "potted over winter" and put in an unheated greenhouse?
With the big rose, you mention reduce to 18 inch. Can i really go that low? For demonstration purposes I have included an image with an 18 inch block next to it. The plant has one small stem (compared to the rest of it) on the left side which stands around 2.5 feet tall. Unsure if viewers can zoom in?

[Peanut]

I'm doing this now! I've moved you over here to the flower thread, hopefully you'll get some more flowery people spotting it now

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Ta ever so

[rary]

Personally I would move and plant now, and apply a mulch over the planting area, but if you stay in an area where you dont get hard frosts a pot should be ok just provide some additional insulation such as bubble wrap around the pot . As for the bigger rose yes you should be able to cut it back to 18 inches as there will be dormant buds below that, but you can cut it back to a height you are happy with , remember all the top growth acts as a sail which can cause damage to your plant in high winds, so removing all the top growth wont do any damage to the plant, then in the spring you can cut back to an outward facing bud, you should also cut right down to the base any branches that cross over other stems

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Staying with the potting suggestion.....I have large pots that I can use (24x18 inch) and i'd fill the pot with top soil from the current area as it's all being excavated and leveled by hand. You may be able to see the earth mound in image 2 which is about 2 feet high.This area (24 x 17 ft) will be the new location for our green houses.I over winter the wife's many potted Agapanthus in our small (8x8) green house (unheated) and these are fine. Can the same be said for the rose if potted and placed in the same green house? The rose will be permanently sighted next spring once I have finished the new green house location and prepped the new location for the rose. I have been growing veg for many years but have no flower knowledge at all.

[rary]

With a pot that size plus a greenhouse you shouldn't have a problem over wintering a rose, the only thing different that I would do is use fresh soil, this of course is a belt and braces thing as planting a rose in ground that roses had been growing in previously, can cause a thing called rose sickness, may not matter when its the same rose but why risk it

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Thanks Rary, I will move the tiddler tomorrow. The top soil pile has been "fallow" for the last 3 years and used to be one of the veg beds but now has a good head of Couch, bindweed and annual mercury. Watch this space Squire.

[DannyK]

I agree with Rary that the big one is rather small for a thirty year old rambler. I inherited one in 1995. it is well over twenty feet in all directions! If it's a rambler it should have a lot of new shoots, which would be flowering next year. I can't see any.
Most ramblers only flower once.
I put in a Kiftsgate a few years ago which has now got to the top of next door's lelyandii. The label says to remove spent flowers!
Maybe some flower pictures next year.