Pro's and cons of bare rooted v pot grown?

[nick the grief]

Nick, it's a bit late I know, but your attachments aren't working for me!

Hi Snadger,

Don't know what happened there so I re-loaded them

[Snadger]

Nick, it's a bit late I know, but your attachments aren't working for me!

[Snadger]

The deed is done!
Planted the Sunset apple tree today in very large pot (It'll take two to shift it!)
Punched holes in the fibreglass bottom with an old screwdriver and spun it round to open them up a bit. Put one of my recently aquired 49p growbag contents in bottom. Filled it to 2" from top with screened loam taken from my leek trench (mix of loam, sand and last years muck) no fertiliser, no support post.

Set plant in middle of pot and made sure top soil level was 2" below rootstock graft.Topdressed with material rootball was in (looked like well rotted wood chippings) Firmed in really well and watered!

Jobs a guddun!

Intend dresssing with bonemeal in Spring once buds have set. If it gets its roots into growbag contents it will get a bit of a feed from that anyway! Come to think of it the apple is well named as it will get the SUNSET and sun rize!

PS I found out today that my lottie is in a bit of a frost pocket but have sited apple so it gets the winter Sun. Hopefully this will give it a bit frost protection when it's budding and I can always move it if need be!

[nick the grief]

......Been doing a bit reading up and had intended to add bone meal to a basic John Innes no 3 mix.......apparently not recommended?

What I've read is use garden soil and nothing else? The fibrous roots 'scorch' very easily so no fertiliser?

Undecided how I'm going to play it yet, anyone any ideas?

PS I was warned off staking it also?

There will be no need to add Bonemeal to JI3 as it has all the nutrients it will need for a few weeks. If you add too much fertiliser it will burn the young roots so why not use a JI1 or 2 mix instead? (less fertiliser) if it's growing well it will use up all the fertiliser in about 4 weeks in the pot so you would need to start and give it a feed avery week in the growing season any way to keep it productive & healthy.

As to staking, it's a trade off. if the trunk is allowed to bend it strengthens the fibres ( like doing excersise really) but the problem is the top of the tree is quite an area to catch the wind and so it rocks the root ball and stops it establishing properly and so could snap off if it were a strong wind.

What you can do is put a stake in at an angle lower down the trunk to keep the rootball still & allow the roots to get a hold but still allow the top to move, this isn't easy in a container though.

What you can do is make up a sort of ladder typ affai out of tilling lath & then fix this to 4 shorter stakes that go thru the rootball & stop it rocking like this.

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[Mrs Dobby]

Good luck with the planting Snadger!

The 2 apple trees we have in our garden were just taken out of the pots they came in and a hole dug, a few slow release food pellets added to the bottom of the hoel and then planted and watered in, that was what it said on the instructions, so that was what we did! They seem to be doing ok, and have been in for 18 months now without dying, so we cant have got it too wrong! lol!

[Snadger]

Just checked the weather forecast and it's due to be fine tomorrow. I'll be up bright and early to get the newspapers then straight to the lottie to plant my apple tree!

Got a large ornamental white fibreglass pot about 20" diameter and same height. Going to knock some drainage holes in the bottom and see if I can scrounge a few broken pots somewhere.

Been doing a bit reading up and had intended to add bone meal to a basic John Innes no 3 mix.......apparently not recommended?

What I've read is use garden soil and nothing else? The fibrous roots 'scorch' very easily so no fertiliser?

Undecided how I'm going to play it yet, anyone any ideas?

PS I was warned off staking it also?

[nick the grief]

I would guess so as the fruit buds should be there already Snadger.

[Snadger]

With a bit of luck & a following wind I would say you may have apples around September You may want to limit the crop this year though to allow it to establish.

That quickly? Didn't think I would get a crop the first year!

[nick the grief]

With a bit of luck & a following wind I would say you may have apples around September You may want to limit the crop this year though to allow it to establish.

[Alison]

Were lucky here as J cole and Son are just around the corner. They grow trees and shrubs for most of the big garden centres etc and have quite a gfew plantations nearby.

My Victoria plum cost £22 but was nearly 10' high, was 5 years old and fruited this year and It was only planted in February.

You're right, Piglet! You are VERY lucky..................... and I'm just jealous!!!!!

However, I'll be very impressed with myself if I've got this quote business sorted, been trying to work it out for ages!

[pigletwillie]

Were lucky here as J cole and Son are just around the corner. They grow trees and shrubs for most of the big garden centres etc and have quite a gfew plantations nearby.

My Victoria plum cost £22 but was nearly 10' high, was 5 years old and fruited this year and It was only planted in February.

[Alison]

Good one, Snadger - know what you mean about garden centers, there's one round here which is brill in the spring / summer but totally useless after about September as it has a Halloween spectacular followed by Santa's grotto, had problems even finding some ericaious (OK, can't spell!) compost the other week and you've no chances with seeds. Tend to get any trees etc via mail order as you get such a good choice, don't go in Homebase much as have always found it pretty expensive but after your success may try again.

[Snadger]

Sorted, I hope!

Thanks for all your advice. I am now the proud owner of a bare rooted dessert apple tree.

Apple
Malus domestica Sunset

Sunset apple is very similar to Cox but much easier to grow. An excellent garden substitute for Cox particularly for regions where Cox can not be grown successfully.
Use: Dessert
Season of Use: Oct-Dec
Colour: Flushed
Flavour: Aromatic
Origin: Kent UK 1918
Pollination Group: C
Self-fertility: Self Fertile

Went to several Garden Centres who I believe have lost the plot as far as plant sales are concerned. Loads of choice, but NO bare rooted and very,very expensive.
All they seemed interested in was Santa's tacky grotto (Humbug!) and selling overpriced clothes to passing yuppies. They even have a delicatesen!

Anyway, gripe over, went to Homebase who had four varieties of bare rooted appples. Fiesta, Sunset, Ellisons Orange and greensleeves. Didn't want green apple(greensleeves) so after returning home and having a look on net, plumbed for Sunset as it is self- fertile (others are partially self-fertile)

I knew there was only one Sunset apple left so shot back over to Homebase and collared it, few broken tips but all in all it seems in good nick!

Cripes this reply has turned into an epic! Never mind why use one word when 200 will do?

Quite pleased with my £9.99's worth, now all I need is for it to stop raining and blowing a hooley so I can get it planted.

Anyone any idea how long it will be before I get any apples?

[nick the grief]

Most bare root trees are grown in the soil so have reosably unrestricted growth where as the others you cold pot up in pudding basin nearly

[Snadger]

Thanks Pigletwillie....never thought of the bare rooted being more robust and as you say pot grown plants could be potbound and have a chequered history!

Must admit the replies are the opposite to what I thought they would be, I thought it would be " Forget about bare rooted, they're cheap rubbish! Pah!"

Just goes to show, once again, you're never to old to learn!