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  1. #9
    Micklemus is offline Germinator
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    Feb 2017

    Default Bramley apple can be rooted over winter from a cutting

    Quote Originally Posted by nickdub View Post
    As I say the result you get will depend on the variety, Bramley is by far the strongest grower I know of the commonly grown apples - I reckon a Bramley on its own roots would probably top 60' eventually.

    Bear in mind that apples come in to fruit partly depending on their maturity, so 20 years is not out of the way for a standard tree to get in to its stride, as it were.

    BTW another way round setting about the project you outline, would be to germinate some apple pips and then after a couple of years use these pippins as root-stocks on to which you could graft the scions you wanted. This was the usual way of proceeding with apple trees up to about 100 years ago.
    I took 7 cuttings from cloned trees that are mature that were grown by cloning the Bramley buds from Southwell... I felt it was a challenge that was stated by the horticulture professor who said 'publicly' that it was impossible to root a bramley from a cutting!........ I got three saplings to root which of course are identicle to the 'mother' Bramley apple that ALL Bramleys came from. I planted one on a farm in North Wales, gave one to a relative in Mansfield and lastly one to a lady who lives just up the road.... These babies are all doing well. Last year's winter in Wales was a cold one and it killed the top of the Bramley I planted there but in the summer low and behold a new shoot sprouted about 6 inches from the ground and was growing well by autumn. I protected it from the winds by wrapping polythene sheet round the wire netting but left the top open....... The frosts have not been so bad this this winter so this youngster may well grow taller and stronger.......

    I told the friendly farmer who soon whipped out a stump where this Bramley is planted that he will have the best apple pies in the land when it is producing! It will be something to remember me by?

    So while the production rate is low with 3 out of 7 cuttings I was successful and proved the professor incorrect in that it is not impossible to root a bramley from a cutting! I may add that they were all irishmans cuttings -- with a heel left on the straight part as it is said that there are more cells that will root in such cuttings. Always Always keep an open mind.

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    nickdub is offline Early Fruiter
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    Thanks for passing on that very interesting story - it would be worth making some sort of permanent label for your Bramley with the relevant details on it to record its origin for people in the future - maybe a piece if slate with the info inscribed in to it ?

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    devonuk is offline Sprouter
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    Apr 2016


    Genuinely don't know the answers to this: is there any reason for a direct clone of the original tree to differ from any other true to name Bramley (which is just a clone of a clone of a clone ... of the original)?

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    Lardman is offline Rooter
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    Oct 2016


    Quote Originally Posted by devonuk View Post
    is there any reason for a direct clone of the original tree to differ from any other true to name Bramley (which is just a clone of a clone of a clone ... of the original)?
    In theory they will be the same - however, natural mutations occur and selective propagation has resulted in a not so identical apple; Bramley 20 is a perfect example. Some people thinking the Bramley in particular has lost some of it's original distinctive properties and qualities.
    nickdub likes this.

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