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    What about the idea of growing as many apple trees from seed purely to chop them down and use for smoking? I'm hoping any extra vigour (e.g. Bramley not on a limiting rootstock) would grow relatively quickly and when any of them get too big I chop down

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    ?Smoking? ............
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    Applewood smoked cheese mmmm

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    But you only need a branch to make sawdust and that will give you enough to smoke for years Mine has!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangepippin View Post
    I can't see the point of grafting at some point in the future on to failed seedling trees, which in any case are extremely wasteful of space, and space is likely to be more and more precious in the future. It is not as if these seedling trees will take that long either, my last batch started producing (crab apples) after 4 years, which is hardly planting for your heirs. This sounds like a romantic idea that hasn't been thought through properly - although I must admit I have not seen first hand what Alys is proposing so I could well have misunderstood it.
    You seem obsessed with apples! This is about sloes, elders, damsons, cherries, grapes, sea buckthorns: pretty much anything except apples - however you can graft on to crab apples and use the saplings as rootstocks. And it's about putting future foraging opportunities around your local area for future generations.

    It's only you that mentioned apples which as we know mainly produce crabs when sown.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zazen999 View Post
    You seem obsessed with apples! This is about sloes, elders, damsons, cherries, grapes, sea buckthorns: pretty much anything except apples - however you can graft on to crab apples and use the saplings as rootstocks. And it's about putting future foraging opportunities around your local area for future generations.

    It's only you that mentioned apples which as we know mainly produce crabs when sown.
    Sorry if I wasn't clear. The point I was trying to make is that in my opinion it would be far better to *graft* and plant useful varieties to create future foraging opportunities, as you will get more reliable results and also quicker results. Scattering fruit seeds at random sounds romantic in a Jonnie Appleseed kind of way, but won't be as useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangepippin View Post
    Sorry if I wasn't clear. The point I was trying to make is that in my opinion it would be far better to *graft* and plant useful varieties to create future foraging opportunities, as you will get more reliable results and also quicker results. Scattering fruit seeds at random sounds romantic in a Jonnie Appleseed kind of way, but won't be as useful.
    But this is about the randomness of nature - and about putting back what you have taken. And it's not about scattering seeds but sowing them and looking after them in your own growing area, and then planting them when they are larger plants.


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    I often wonder that no pips, stones or nuts ever germinate in the soil here despite there being thousands on the ground every year. Even the leftovers from juicing and preserving are returned to the orchard. I guess the mature trees emit an anti-germination substance to keep the kids from inheriting the earth, but sometimes I use fruit debris to mulch the vegetable beds where hasn't been an apple tree for decades, and nothing sprouts. I've even tried to germinate apricot stones from Tajikistan in potting compost with no success ( well, the pots are still somewhere in the back of the garden so maybe one year they'll surprise me). What variety are your plumstones, Darcyvuqua? There's a great book called 'The Pip Book' by Keith Mossman if you need inspiration.

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