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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemoon View Post
    It covers all beans and peas and anything else in the family such as lupins
    Lupins??? Mine have been in the same spot in the border for 3/4 years now. Do they need treating a bit differently to the rest of the bed, in terms of food or etc?

    So - runners and frenchies will have their own purpose built permanent support from next weekend (going to try with bamboo canes and plastic chicken wire?), but what about peas? And broadies?
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    My tall peas again stay in the same place. Broadies I do rotate because they dont need supporting with a framework so can easily be planed into a rotation.

    As for your lupins in the bed, leave them be, they will be fine, just feed as normal and mulch in winter and your beds will be in tip top condition.

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    Cheers PW - very helpful (As ever of course!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by moggssue View Post
    Here I go again folks .... went to the lottie yesterday and had a nosey at what some of the other peeps were doing/have done. Now I KNOW all about the principles behind rotation of crops and such good stuff, but lots of the plots around me seem to have very permanent pea/bean supports. Do you think there's any merit in having a permanent spot for these crops, and if so how would you deal with the build up of disease in the soil? I thought it might make future life easy to not have to build a new support system every year but am doubtful cos of the rotation issue?? Any thoughts??
    I've had my runners in the same spot for at least 15 years and have had no problems. Its my beleif that the bees know where they are every year and that accounts for an early crop of beans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moggssue View Post
    Lupins??? Mine have been in the same spot in the border for 3/4 years now. Do they need treating a bit differently to the rest of the bed, in terms of food or etc?

    So - runners and frenchies will have their own purpose built permanent support from next weekend (going to try with bamboo canes and plastic chicken wire?), but what about peas? And broadies?
    No, I just meant that lupins fix their own nitrogen, my Gran grew them in the same place for at least 30 years and, as far as I'm aware didn't do anything special with them.

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    I intend adopting a technique I first heard mooted by our guru NTG.

    Basically you find a place for your runner beans that won't cast a shadow over other plants. You then concrete in permanent posts at each end with a top rail fastened to the top. this gives you a basic frame work to use 8 foot canes in a wigwam formation once you plant your beans.

    This is where the clever bit comes in!

    You then dig a trench one spit deep and line it with polythene or old bin bags, fertiliser sacks or anything that you have lying around. It doesn't have to be black as the next step is to pierce the whole lot with a garden fork and start piling waste vegetable matter and newspapers into it.
    Once its full, you cover the vegetable matter with soil and plant your beans.

    The beauty of this system is that because it's on polythene, at the end of the bean growing season you just lift out the polythene with growing medium that's on top of it and spread it on the garden!
    You are then left with a trench which can be lined with the same polythene if you like and the whole process can start again with the small difference that you will need to import soil from another area the following year to top up the bed.
    This way you are bypassing the rotation system and you will always have a solid framework in an area which doesn't cast shade on other crops!
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    Like the idea snagger, sounds like a winner to me. I was going to ask about tall peas, but now all is clear they and the frenchies can stay put.
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    I love that idea I'm going to do that at home as the plot is going at some stage this year. Will do it at my new one tho.

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