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    I am told that the rat poison sold to the public is not as strong as that available to people in the trade and the stuff we can buy is not any good. I shoot if I have to and I will be buying a humane trap to maybe re-locate animals not wanted in the garden. Biggest problem with poison outside is they are indiscriminate, you could kill something like someone's pet.

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    AFAIK its an offence to release a trapped grey squirrel into the wild and maybe the same for a rat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veggiechicken View Post
    AFAIK its an offence to release a trapped grey squirrel into the wild and maybe the same for a rat.
    Yes - same for rats. Vermin.

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    Thought so, but didn't want to say for sure as there's always some smartie pants who'd tell me I was wrong.
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    All methods are complicated.

    Live traps involve dispatching or release elsewhere(but depends on what wildlife you have caught)
    You need to check several times a day as the animal (any animal) will not have food or water until you next visit and in the summer potentially become over heated or in winter hypothermic.

    Snap traps will kill or maim anything which touches it (including breaking children's fingers) and hold them captive and in pain until it is checked.

    Rats have an amazing sense of smell and memory and tend not to approach any trap they have seen before especially if it has the scent of a human on it.

    Poison - The thing with rat poison is that rats will often move the food and put it into store without eating it straight away. This then makes it available to any wildlife -even if well hidden and still in situ.
    A poisoned animal will probably be eaten as carrion by owls or other birds of prey and then they too will die.

    First line of defence though is to make your plot as rat unfriendly as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet View Post
    Yes - same for rats. Vermin.
    Never thought about this for rats, though I knew it was the case for grey squirrels.

    My friend has just put out a humane trap for a young rat she has in her garden. She plans to relocate it somewhere far away from habitation. She's seen it a few times, including - the rat being chased away by a pigeon. Believe it or not!
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    Box 1. Law relating to release of captured rodents

    The legal framework relating to the release of captured rodents includes both (i) animal welfare and (ii) species conservation elements. The latter addresses the potential risks to UK wildlife and biodiversity of releasing species that are not considered to be ‘ordinarily resident’ in the UK.

    (i) The welfare of captured rodents is covered by the Animal Welfare Act 2006 (Animal Welfare Act 2006 - Explanatory Notes), which puts in place a duty of care for the welfare of all animals under human control (even on a temporary basis). The implications of this to the release or killing of captured rodents is unclear but the capture, release or killing of rodents in circumstances that compromised or might compromise their welfare may be open to challenge if the animals needs are not met as far as is reasonable in the circumstances. If suffering is caused which is deemed to be unnecessary then this will constitute an offence under this Act. Whether the suffering is unnecessary requires the consideration of a number of factors such as whether the suffering could have reasonably been avoided or reduced, whether the control operation was for a legitimate purpose and whether the suffering was proportionate to the purpose of the control operation concerned.

    (ii) Section 14 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (WCA) (available at Browse Legislation) prohibits the release into the wild any animal which is 1) of a kind that is not ordinarily resident in and is not a regular visitor to GB in a wild state or 2) is included in Part 1 of Schedule 9. Currently (June 2008), the black rat (Rattus rattus), the fat/edible dormouse (Glis glis), the grey squirrel (Sciureus carolinensis) and the Mongolian gerbil (Meriones unguiculatus) are listed on Part 1 of Schedule 9 and therefore cannot be released, except under licence.

    Under the WCA there is no prohibition on the release of other species of rats or mice which are ordinarily resident in GB. For example, the view of the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) is that the release of brown/common rats (Rattus norvegicus) into the wild is not unlawful under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 because, despite their non-native origins, they could be classed as 'ordinarily resident' in Great Britain as they are now well-established. However, this is not to say that it is acceptable or permissible to release them on other people’s property.

    Bearing in mind the exceptions above, although the law does not prevent the release of captured target animals (brown rats or mice), it is often likely to be an unwise thing to do either because it is counterproductive to control and/or because it may have adverse welfare consequences for the animal (see text). Release near the point of capture is unlikely to solve the problem as the animals are likely to return unless the premises have been effectively proofed. Release in an unfamiliar environment may have adverse welfare consequences as animals may have trouble finding food and shelter. Also if the area contains suitable habitat it is likely to already be occupied by other members of their species and may not support additional animals.

    In a nutshell you can release rats as they are indigenous, Grey Squirrels are aliens
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    Trouble is you get rid of one and another will take its place. I've been gardening for nearly 40 years and have had the odd encounter but that's one of the few downsides of working outdoors. Providing you don't store stuff that they are attracted to such as bird or dog food and only put veg matter in the compost bin they won't cause you a problem.
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