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    Afternoon all

    Last year we had a conflab on here about what would happen if you just left your vine tomatoes to it. There was a lot of umming and aahing and I believe I was informed in no uncertain terms that if you left the armpits [sideshoots] intact, then the plants would definitely fruit less than if you took them out.

    So, as you do - I tried it this year.

    I planted 4 plants in a row, and left them to it.

    The plants were:
    1 Piglet Willie's French Black
    1 Falcon [the yellow one, I had thought it was Galina but the label was definitely Falcon today]
    1 Franchi Red Pear
    1 Purple Russian

    These were not prized plants, they really were end of the line, nobody picked them when I took them to give them away [I believe they were taken to the meeting with the gang in Yorkshire and neither Ginger, Sarz nor Dave took them away] and they were also left in the car and got a tad thirsty that week. I bunged them in at the end of a session of gardening, mulched with grass clippings and that was it.

    I did cloche them for a few weeks, but they soon outgrew the cloche.

    When I went back after the summer, they had gone a little mental. They rambled and were really dense and covered a good meter and a half squareish area; a few stems had grown up and the weight had dragged the stem back down; and in many places the plant had rooted from the stem [as I found out today when I pulled them up].

    I've been taking trugloads of tomatoes back home each week, and on 3 occasions have mixed them with some of mine and made passata to freeze; and today I harvested half the rest [they were showing signs of blight and I don't want to have blighty toms to deal with next week] and what I brought home today is in the pic below.

    This has quite categorically been the bestest amount of tomatoes from 4 plants I have ever known. I could have filled the trug today but I just haven't got the space to let them all ripen at home; so I left loads. All 4 plants performed, the Franchi ones were the last to ripen out of all 4 but by 'eck they are good tomatoes! The PWFBs were the first to ripen, and the Purple Russians were absolutely amazing - ripening up and bursting with juice. And the Falcons were so hard to get off without squishing them as they were so juicy.

    I had thought these were armpits themselves, but I don't put the date on sideshoot labels and when I saw the dates on the labels, it came flooding back to me that these were the ones that I left in the car and shoved in after the meet-up.

    I am SO doing this again. It's brilliant and with a cloche I might well not have had any blight on these at all. The peg is there for scale. Now, where's my big pan?



    p.s....I didn't know there were only 4 until I cut them back and counted; 4 plants, and 4 labels. I thought they were armpits because I honestly thought there were about 12 plants in there and as they were all the same varieties, assumed that I had taken a few armpits from 4 different varieties; I was gobsmacked when there were just 4 and the labels had dates on them.
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    Last edited by zazen999; 10-10-2011, 06:56 PM.


  • #2
    Aha good old Zaz. I am always a tad remiss about armpitting and inevitably end up missing some, which become fruiting branches. I couldn't let plants go completely though in my greenhouse as I would never get in the door. It's a struggle as it is.
    Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better...Albert Einstein

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    • #3
      Looks like a case of treat 'em mean keep 'em keen Zaz. I left some plants that had grown from my homemade compost and they are fruiting really nicely, not even staked. As for the ones I'd given up hope on (waterlogged), I've still managed to harvest plenty for my daughter to make sauce. Tomatoes really are resilient aren't they?
      Granny on the Game in Sheffield

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      • #4
        Aren't they just!

        My prize tom at the lottie is a self sown one, and the size of them is fantastic. They are growing onto the path and sat on a plastic basket upside down so that the critters don't get to them - first one off at the weekend and at last another 6 to come. Marvelous.

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        • #5
          I've always allowed my toms to grow as they please(they are all outdoors) and like you, have huge crops.
          Sent from my pc cos I don't have an i-phone.

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          • #6
            So have I got this right - do NOT take the elbows off your tomatoes?
            All gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Two_Sheds View Post
              So have I got this right - do NOT take the elbows off your tomatoes?
              Well, if you were growing them in a greenhouse, up string they would get awfully scraggy and unwieldy. But - the point made last year was that if you didn't - then your crop would suffer. And, when they were grown along the ground, with no support - the crop didn't suffer in fact it was immense.

              I'm just saying that the reason for the armpit removal is more than likely neatness than actual crop reduction.

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              • #8
                aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhh!


                the world is flat



                PS. I have some unarmpitted Sungold growing along my gh roof: I'm too short to deal with them, so they've been left to it. They have got a couple of trusses on them, ripening nicely
                All gardeners know better than other gardeners." -- Chinese Proverb.

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                • #9
                  or the armpits even

                  In the Centenary garden I planted out some spare toms also there was a few volunteer selfseeded ones that came up. They haven't been fed or watered apart from what was in the soil and rain. They are dripping with toms some large and some small . All I've done is lift trusses onto crates and now been removing leaves to help ripening ......just wondering if this is the way forward for next year..
                  S*d the housework I have a lottie to dig
                  a batch of jam is always an act of creation ..Christine Ferber

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                  • #10
                    I have, in the past, bought Tomato plants at the side of the road, and forgotten to plant them. They were left, on the concrete ground, next to the shed. Not watered at all. Definitely not fed. And, never potted on. They stayed in the 3 inch pots they came in. They grew along the ground, where they fell when it was windy, and had bin bags and other items chucked on top if them. (The reason is a long and boring saga!) They fruited, and the fruit ripened, and was edible, when it was found under the 'stuff' that was covering it. Amazing things, Toms!

                    Well done Zaz, and thanks for carrying out the experiment. No more 'arm-pitting' for me!
                    All the best - Glutton 4 Punishment
                    Freelance shrub butcher and weed removal operative.

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                    • #11
                      I have always been led to believe that there are several reasons for removing side shoots none of them to do with increasing the crop. Neatness in the green house, getting air movement around the plants again in the GH, promotes earlier ripening and promotes larger fruit. Whether any of that is true or whether we do it because everyone else does I know not.

                      Certainly your experiment could give it the lie for outdoors toms.

                      Colin
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Potstubsdustbins View Post
                        I have always been led to believe that there are several reasons for removing side shoots none of them to do with increasing the crop. Neatness in the green house, getting air movement around the plants again in the GH, promotes earlier ripening and promotes larger fruit. Whether any of that is true or whether we do it because everyone else does I know not.

                        Certainly your experiment could give it the lie for outdoors toms.

                        Colin
                        I was categorically informed on here a year ago that leaving the armpits on would be bad for the yield - and I just happened to be in the situation to be able to try out different methods this year and that's why I am pleased to report that growing them in the ground and leaving them to it really really works. The only issue being of course, that blight will probably get to them - so if a large cloche covered them - or a poly construction could keep the blight off; then for the space used, they have produced a huge crop.

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                        • #13
                          Interesting experiment, I have to say! Tomatoes is really the only thing I've kept doing over the years since leaving my mum and dad's farm, when I've had the space. I've always removed the sideshoots, duly as I've been taught. This is food for thought - I will experiment myself next year, especially since it took me many hours this year to look after the handful of tomato plants that I had at home!
                          Thank you for sharing!
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                          • #14
                            I always thought you had two choices, Leave the suckers on and get many many fruit, but small ones, or take them off and get fewer, but greater in size ones

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                            • #15
                              naw we've been getting some huge fruit ....I'll try to remember to get a photo.
                              S*d the housework I have a lottie to dig
                              a batch of jam is always an act of creation ..Christine Ferber

                              You can't beat a bit of garden porn

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