Identify these beans, fruit canes and grapes?

[dilettante]

Apologies if this is in the wrong place.

I've just taken on my first allotment plot, and there are there a few plants already there that I'd like to identify, so I care for them correctly.

Firstly, I've got a fruit cane, which is in an area that used to be a compost heap that someone apparently planted blackberries in, but I'm not so sure it looks like a blackberry cane. It's very upright. I would have said raspberry possibly. There is a raspberry patch on the site, and I suppose it could have grown from a composted cane/fruit.

Secondly, I have a huge grapevine. I've no experience with grapes at all, so I don't know if posting pics here will be enough, or if I'll need to take them to a professional for identification.

Finally, some beans which have died back, but there are a few pods. I think they're very cool looking, and nothing I've grown before, so it would be nice if I could save them and grow them next year. They may well be a hybrid, so possibly I'll not get the same again, but I've plenty of space to try things out. I've looked in a book, and on google, and I think they look like some sort of borlotti bean. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

[Chippy Minton]

Those beans look distinctly like borlotti beans. Ours are climbers but I think you can get bush ones.

Can't help with anything else, fruit's not my game.

[Nicos]

No idea about the grapevine- but have you asked your lottie neighbours?
With all those bunches some of them will surely have been shared with your neighbours???
Someone would surely have asked- just out of interest- what variety it is????

[WendyC]

Photo 1 is a bit blurry but yes looks more like raspberry than blackberry. This looks like a cane that has finished for the year. Look around the axe are there new green shoots for next year?
The last photo looks a bit like a currant or is it another view of photo 1. Blackcurrants conveniently smell of blackcurrants.

[veggiechicken]

Photo 1 looks a bit like a Japanese Wineberry. Any softish red bristles on the stem or around the fruit?
Last photo looks like raspberry that's been deadheaded with new canes around the base?

[dilettante]

Photo 1 looks a bit like a Japanese Wineberry. Any softish red bristles on the stem or around the fruit?
Last photo looks like raspberry that's been deadheaded with new canes around the base?

Apologies, I accidentally mislead everyone. The first and last pictures were from the same plant, I just uploaded them in the wrong order. I've not seen a japanese wineberry, will have to google. I've since found a note referencing gooseberries and blueberries. Could it be either of those?

Chippy Minton, I mean to say borlotti, not bush sorry. Need to engage my brain when typing, the website I was on talked about bush varieties.

[veggiechicken]

Gooseberries have thorns; blueberries will have autumn coloured leaves. Doesn't look like either of those.
You can get dwarf borlotti beans.

[dilettante]

Gooseberries have thorns; blueberries will have autumn coloured leaves. Doesn't look like either of those.
You can get dwarf borlotti beans.

Thanks for the tips! I shall keep my eye out and see if anything springs up with autumny leaves or thorns. I suspect there might be something hidden near the main cane fruit bed. These were defo not dwarf plants, climbing away on huge canes, I was being a bit dense. I'm just hoping I find a note somewhere that tells me what variety they are so I can see if it's worth trying to grow them next year or not.

[Scarlet]

Well the saved beans should come true to seed. To be honest I think you will find it difficult to pin the exact variety down and taste wise, I think they all taste much the same too (perhaps that's just me?) I grow Lingua de fuoco which is a climbing variety, also grew some dwarf ones this year and apart from the cream background being slightly whiter they were pretty much the same.

[greenishfing]

Are the grapes nice and sweet with a couple of pips in the larger ones? Are they in a greenhouse?

If yes they could be Black Hamburg (like mine)