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    My poor Mum!

    My Mum retires in 5 weeks. She only works four days a week and has 10 days holiday which she is taking in a week. She has been ask to come back in another role basically naming her hours and conditions of work. She is a nurse.

    Phones me up crying (vey unlike my Mum)

    Last week she started work and was called into the office for a given reason but that reason wasn't even discussed. Her line manager said that she's made an appointment with occupational health and suggested my Mum retires early due to always being tired which is understandable at her age.

    My Mum couldn't believe it nothing has ever been said before, she's never complained about being tired.Anyway she said as nothing was wrong thank you for her concern but she wouldn't be going to the appointment. I also told her not to go as being a past employer know that you meant to have the consent of employee. She then gets an email threatening disciplinary if she doesn't go. (it's most certainly not disciplinary not to go)

    So yesterday the manager reminds mum of appointment and says she'll drag her by her hair if need be. So my Mum went. Explained to the O/Health she's never been tired, or had other people suggest she was and that she hadn't agreed to meeting. OH said she couldn't find her unfit and that it was indeed very strange but it would need looking into as the manager had said that there had been complaints about my mums work, (according to manager complaints not listed or dates etc) and that she felt my mum was getting too tired always asking to leave work early and turns up tired ( manager starts 2 hours after my Mum) She also said she could understand why my mum was upset as my Mum had been offered another role to return too and had even been asked to take on extra shifts by her manger to help cover Easter and said she shouldn't worry. Mum gets home and finds a letter from the top manager at hospital thanking her for her hard work over the last 30 years bla bla bla and looks forward to working with her in her new role.

    Leading up to this Mum had said she was fed up of this women telling her she was too old to do this and that and when overtime was offered she would say to my mum that she shouldn't be asking for overtime at her age.

    As said she only works four shifts a week, has only five weeks left and still has 10 days holiday - what idiot suggests retiring early. IF my Mum does this it messes up her retirement money and she won't be able to return to nursing.

    Although I can offer advice to Mum I feel upset that I can't actually do anything.
    Last edited by marathon; 11-03-2010, 02:46 PM.

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    Sorry to hear about your mum Marathon. I think she needs to take union advice assuming she is in a union. It sounds like she is being bullied by her manager. Alternatively she could put a grievance in against her manager. It's difficult & stressfull for her. I hope things work out for her.
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    • #3
      Just what I was going to say BM - Marathon get your mum to secure Union advice pronto.
      What has been happening to her is not just bad management practice, it is unlawful under the age discrimination legislation.
      This link may help - lots of information here
      Am I being discriminated against? | Age Concern England
      Whooops - now what are the dogs getting up to?

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      • #4
        I'd slam a grievance in pronto. If there have been complaints the first action is to speak to the person and get to the bottom of them; not to force someone to OH and start bullying them to retire early.

        Can you give ACAS a call and get some advice on this.

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        • #5
          I wonder if there is something hidden behind all this- that with retirement the post would be frozen- but with retirement due to ill health the post would be kept open?
          just a thought..the Union would be able to clarify that!

          (Sorry to hear that after so many years of devoted duty that her last few weeks of working are being marred by all this.)
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          • #6
            Originally posted by zazen999 View Post
            I'd slam a grievance in pronto. If there have been complaints the first action is to speak to the person and get to the bottom of them; not to force someone to OH and start bullying them to retire early.

            Can you give ACAS a call and get some advice on this.
            She's just phoned me to tell me she spoke her union, but she works in a private hospital and they have to invite the union into the hospital. They said that a grievance needs to be served for bulling, agisim and discrimination. They suggested that she speak honest with the hospital manager and make her feeling sknown and ask if she makes a grievance will that affect her new role.


            They also said that any compalint made about a nurse must be discussed with the nurse as each complaint occurs. It's not enough to simply say complaints have been made.

            If the line manager is concerned about her being tired what has she done to help for example was she ever offered to day a shift on followed by a day off.

            The manager has failed to follow procedure.

            Originally posted by Nicos View Post
            I wonder if there is something hidden behind all this- that with retirement the post would be frozen- but with retirement due to ill health the post would be kept open?
            just a thought..the Union would be able to clarify that!

            The union suggested a reason which I'm pleased to say backs up what Myself and OH thought. If she retires as unfit to work she won't be able to take the new role which would be as a direct result of her line managers involvement.

            My Mum is in a meeting at the moment with the hospital manager she's going to phone me later but has alreay said she feel out of her depth even though she knows what she should say she's worried that they will close ranks.

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            • #7
              Hi, I've not got any practical advice, but hope that everything works out well for your Mum. This sound like pure and simple bullying for others own ends. Evil in the raw....

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              • #8
                I am a bit lost here. I understand that your Mum is about to retire. Why is she putting herself through this nightmare. Will she lose any pension if she takes her holiday earlier and then quits?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Brengirl View Post
                  I am a bit lost here. I understand that your Mum is about to retire. Why is she putting herself through this nightmare. Will she lose any pension if she takes her holiday earlier and then quits?
                  If she retires early then she won't be able to return as they will deem she's still unfit.

                  More to the point she doesn't want too, why should anyone retire early if they don't want too. She loves her work and up until a few days ago had never had a cross word with anyone. She doesn't feel ready to retire which is why she was so happy they asked if she would like to stay on.

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                  • #10
                    Blimey Marathon - I don't know what to say! It makes you want to punch someone, to be honest.

                    I hope it gets sorted satisfactorily, and soon. Does she really want to carry on working with people like this?

                    Sounds to me as though someone there has an ulterior motive. Fingers crossed for her.
                    All the best - Glutton 4 Punishment
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                    • #11
                      Not sure how strong the union is in the private sector. Has this particular person got a history of this sort of behaviour?.......Could your mum get any support from other members of staff or are they all scared of him/her?
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                      • #12
                        I hope this can be of support for your mum.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bigmallly View Post
                          Not sure how strong the union is in the private sector. Has this particular person got a history of this sort of behaviour?.......Could your mum get any support from other members of staff or are they all scared of him/her?
                          actually i think there is a problem with the way she talks to staff but people seem to just put up with it. I know my mum has said in the past it's been shrugged off as 'shes only joking' but of course as my mum points out this women doesn't joke.

                          The hospital uses agency staff and normally they aren't from the UK and they just put up with it.

                          My mum has explained to me that private hospitals can refuse the union access so unless they allow them in Mum is stuffed. The union did say not to worry to much as she could fight the hospital after any action to make her leave early and she would do well. Any pension problems would then be paid.

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                          • #14
                            Blimey. What a horrible situation. I do hope things work out OK for your mum. Big hugs from me and wet licks and tail wags from Dexter.
                            Bernie aka DDL

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                            • #15
                              Ok, have read all this and what is striking me is.....

                              The new post - is it above the current line manager?

                              Sounds like pure sour grapes! Can stand to have people he/she hasn't chosen given anything so is going all out to spoil things for your Mum.

                              Selfish git!

                              Put in a grievance, especially if she loses that new post!
                              The weeks and the years are fine. It's the days I can't cope with!

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