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  • Emotional Blackmail - Advice Please

    Hi Guys,

    Those that know me will know I am always one to try and help other folks out, but I now find myself in a bit of a pickle with my daughter. Due to circumstance that I wont go into here, my ex-partner and I split when my daughter was only 6 months old, and I was put in a situation where I was denied access to her, my ex didnt want me to see her, and in order to keep the peace I agreed to keep away until such time that my daughter wanted to see me.

    I was assessed by CSA to pay £258 a month (over 1/4 of my monthly wage at the time), which didnt take into account my mortgage, and despite protests it was nevert changed, so when my boiler broke I lived without heat or hot water for 6 months (boiling pans of water to bathe), and eventually had my home repossessed as I couldnt afford to pay the mortgate. Life was fairly hard, and not seeing my daughter even harder, but with time I met Lee, got a few small pay rises at work and things got easier financially.

    At age 13 my daughter decided she wanted to meet me, and after a heartfelt reunion we spent every other weekend together and had lots of fun days out, but a couple of years later as she approached 16 she decided she would rather go out with her friends than come to stay, so we left the door open and told her to have fun, we would be here for her when she needed us.

    The past 2 years the only time she has been in touch is to ask when we would be bringing her birthday and xmas prezzies around, neither me nor Lee has even had a happy birthday message on FB from her.

    When she turned 16 we talked with her about what she wanted when she left school, she said she wanted to go to college to do child minding, which was fine by us, but in order to make sure she was making the right chouce we made her an offer that if she decided instead to go into employment (Lee had her a job lined up with Tescos), then as her CSA would stop we would pay her £200 a month for the first 2 years, she decided she would rather go to college, so the CSA continued, and she went back to herfriends, only seeing us at birthdays and xmas.

    Last september she was chucked out of college (in her 2nd year) for failing to attend, and as she turned 18 in February I was concerned that the CSA payments that we were still making were a possible overpayment, (that my ex partner and daughter would then have to pay back), so I ocntacted CSA and logged the details.

    In August this year I got a letter from CSA saying I had another 12 months of payments to make, even tho she was now over 18 and not in full time education, so I queeried it and was told that they had made a mistake, the payments should have stopped in Feb when she turned 18, so we have overpayed by £1500.

    Whilst paying CSA we have been struggling, we've no savings, we've ended up with 3 maxed out credit cards and have been living in the overdraft pretty much permanently for the past few years (we have enough income for the basics, but nothing left over for emergencies, so had to use credit cards to pay for things occassionally), our one light at the end of the tunnel being that when we finished paying CSA we would have that £258 a month extra to be able to pay off all the debts, which would still take us a couple of years to do.

    We dont go out drinking or for meals, rarely buy ourselves anything, go camping for our hols, rarely treat ourselves, have a fire thats broken in the front room that needs fixing, our suit has had it (the bottom has gone in 2 places), yet we manage to get by on a weekly basis.

    In August my daughter moved out of her home (aged 18) and in with her 26 yr old boyfriend, into his flat, she asked for no help, even tho we offerred to drive over and help her move, but she didnt want to know.

    At the beginning of September the CSA payments stopped, and since then all I have had is FB messages saying I dont care about her, that I wasnt there for her, that she is depressed, where is her £200 a month now that CSA has stopped, and can I give her a £1000 for a bond so she can get a house with her boyfriend.

    I have explained our financial situation, that until the overdraft is paid off we dont have any spare money, that I dont have £1000 lying around to give her, but all she does is twist my messages and make attempts to try and hurt me.

    Am I such a bad person? Is it wrong that I should be trying now (after 18 years and a total of almost £57K payments made to her / my ex - which I know was used by them for nights out and a much higher standard of living than we have enjoyed) to get ourselves back on an even finaincial footing, or am I being selfish? Should I try and get a loan to give her the £1000, knowing that if I do she will be back again in 12 months for another handout?

    I feel totally distraught that she seems to want to hurt me at every opportunity, I wanted to be there for her, but wasnt able to be, I was told by my ex that I wasnt ot have access, and out of respect for them both agreed to those terms, fool that I may have been, but now all I seem to be to my daughter is a cash cow, someone she can milk and milk and milk. My ex signed over the CSA payments to her in August when she left home, so my daughter was expecting a years worth of £258 a month to come to her, yet she is no longer entitled to it.

    Anyone got any advice, anything I can do to try and calm the situation down and resolve the financial issues?

    I am already stressed out with work, this is coming close to sending me over the edge,
    Blessings
    Suzanne (aka Mrs Dobby)

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  • #2
    deep breaths. As you said, you are nothing but a cash cow to her at the moment,all she can see is you stopping her from doing things that she wants to.
    I would suggest that if you do want to help her out, and she needs the money, that you could compromise and say you can give her an amount towards her bond monthly as long as she works for it and as long as you can spare it [maybe doing some cleaning for you or washing clothes or ironing or something, so she can see how you live that way too, not just the odd visit where everything is lovely]. You have to earn money, you are not automatically entitled to it, but it sounds like she's been spoiled and wants it all now.
    You can either try and teach her that nothing comes for nothing and be hated even more and loved later, or you can give in and make your life a misery and watch her never learn.
    But that's me. Harsh but fair.
    Last edited by taff; 15-09-2011, 11:46 AM.

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    • #3
      Thanks Taff, its not that we dont want to help her out, its that we cant really afford to. If I had the money she could have it in a flash, but after 18 years of scrimping and struggling, not buying each other anything for xmas etc its time we got ourselves financially secure before we can do anything else.

      She lives 30 miles away, so asking her to come and work for her money wouldnt work as it would cost her more than I could geive her to get here.
      Blessings
      Suzanne (aka Mrs Dobby)

      'Garden naked - get some colour in your cheeks'!

      The Dobby's Pumpkin Patch - an Allotment & Beekeeping blogspot!
      Last updated 16th April - Video intro to our very messy allotment!
      Dobby's Dog's - a Doggy Blog of pics n posts - RIP Bella gone but never forgotten xx
      On Dark Ravens Wing - a pagan blog of musings and experiences

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      • #4
        is there room and do you want her living with you? it's another option...
        if you don't have the money, you don't have the money. She's asking for a lot of money, money I wouldn't dream of asking my own parents for and they are financially ok.
        You might have to harden your heart, explain it to her in person, or if that's going to be too messy, in a letter, not an e-mail or a fb mail, so she can read it and digest it rather than get all fired up and start an e-mail war. If you do do it in person have your financials at hand so she can see how stretched you are if that'll help/
        She is technically an adult now, and adults have to deal with disappointment not just happy stuff.
        Last edited by taff; 15-09-2011, 11:57 AM.

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        • #5
          Bitter acrimony does not make for ease of this situation. I think to be fair there is bad feeling on both sides. I would suggest impartial mediation may help here. Children don't ask to be born and parents' obligations to them never ceases really although she is probably wielding the guilt trip to finance her unwillingness to stand on her own two feet. It's difficult and you both need emotional counseling to deal with what has burnt you both. Good luck and talk it out.
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          • #6
            Goodness me Suzanne - you have been going through the mill lately (well, a bit longer than that seemingly). I don't know what I can offer in terms of advice having only been a parent for 2 & 1/2 yrs, and in a stable relationship. I don't envy parents who've split - especially if the child is raised without an understanding of the value of money (which, on the face of it is what's happened here - not by your own design I appreciate).

            Mediation sounds like a very sensible idea however - it's always a good idea to get an independent in on such matters I'd suggest.

            Good luck with it.
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            • #7
              Mrs D sorry no advice from me but if a big old (((((((((((((((((hug)))))))))))))) would help there's one from me for both of you
              this will be a battle from the heart
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              • #8
                Hugs from me too Suzanne.xxx

                I really don't know what to say or what advice to give other than maybe sending her a letter...as Taff said,a proper letter not e mail....explain to her how much you love her and try to explain why things happened the way they did years ago and how you feel about it but that financially you really can't carry on bailing her out.

                Hope you manage to get it sorted soon.xxx
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                • #9
                  The other problem is that your ex may have soured her opinion of you out of bitterness. (its very hard not to do this) Perhaps she feels the only way she can get your attention is by asking for money? Obviously from what you've said she has alot of anger too..
                  I have some experiences slighyl similar to your and can appreciate it from both sides, but all I can do is offer support and wish you luck!! xxx

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                  • #10
                    Oh dear.... what an awful situation you are in (((HUG)))

                    For what it's worth, I would not be giving her any more money. She is an adult now, and it is not your fault, nor her fault, that the CSA have buggered things up. Unfortunately, as an adult, you have to deal with disappointment and things not going your way - this is a lesson she will have to learn now.

                    It sounds as if she is not interested in actually being your daughter, and instead, only wants you to be there because of the money. You don't owe her anything - especially not £200 a month!

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                    • #11
                      Hi

                      For what my opinion counts I would say do not take on any more debt. Its tough, but life is, especially at the moment. It would be a different prospect if you were rolling in it but you sound like your scraping through like most. There are two others involved in this, loverboy and the ex. Has she tapped them up as well? If loverboy is serious he'll save up and wait to move in with the woman he loves, however my gut feel is that he'll bugger off in 6 months when bored and probably leave you with a boat load more debt as your daughter wont be able to repay.

                      As for the emotional stuff, I agree with V V grower above, get some help and talk with a third party. If your daughter is interested in building bridges she'll come to the table and hopefully you will all be able to move forward together. However you need to prepare yourself for the fact that she may only be interested in using your guilt for her own ends. ( Certainly for a few years yet)

                      I have seen this scenario too many times in my own family and the one thing I do know is that you can't keep paying finanially or emotionally forever.

                      However as my comments have been been referred to as cr#p more than once, please feel free to manure as necessary!

                      All the best.
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                      • #12
                        Suzanne what an awful situation you have been put in, this truly is emotional/financial blackmail.

                        My thoughts for what they are worth. You have already done more than enough financially for your daughter, she is now making her own life style choices and she will have to take responsibility for them.

                        Make sure she knows you love her and will be there to help and advise but as regards to money enough is enough. From what you say she has proved in the past by her actions that she sees you as a purse/wallet and I am afraid this won't change until you change it.

                        This is going to be very tough but if you and Mr Dobby stick together as I sure you will then you will come through it and your daughter will end up a better person for it in years to come. You never know she may even come to thank you for the actions you take now.

                        All the best Colin
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                        • #13
                          Sorry to hear about your situation mrs d. Personally, I'd not give anymore money.. There's plenty of other things you can help with (moral support, moving, perhaps an item they need for the house - better than money).

                          Hope it works out ok for you.

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                          • #14
                            Have you thought of writing all that in a letter to her?

                            I have no answers; but you do need to find a way through to coming to an agreement with her; and if you haven't got the money then you haven't got it. She's an adult now and needs to start acting like one - and you should tell her to keep facebook well out of it and speak to you face to face if she wants to be treated like an adult.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks guys n gals, it is a difficult situation, I want to be there for her and help her out, but nothing I can do or say will help her see things from her own demanding point of view. Ive mentioned counselling, either individually for her depression, or together n form of family mediation, but she doesnt think that it will do any good and it appears she would rather retain her anger at me and blame me for everything thats ever gone wrong in her life rather than seek a way to sort it out.

                              We cant afford to help her, not until we are at least a bit more secure financially (and why should MrD have to suffer because Miss D wants money), Ive offered help in other ways, but she would rather not see me at all if I cant stump up the money she wants.

                              No matter what I am obviously in the wrong, the bad parent and the uncaring one in her eyes, nothing I can do or say will change that, mores the pity.

                              I would write to her by mail, (when we first got to meet up again I wrote her a long letter explaining why I had been absent, and how much it hurt me to be apart from her), but I havent got her new adress, and Ive a feeling she wont give it to me anyhow.
                              Last edited by Mrs Dobby; 15-09-2011, 05:30 PM.
                              Blessings
                              Suzanne (aka Mrs Dobby)

                              'Garden naked - get some colour in your cheeks'!

                              The Dobby's Pumpkin Patch - an Allotment & Beekeeping blogspot!
                              Last updated 16th April - Video intro to our very messy allotment!
                              Dobby's Dog's - a Doggy Blog of pics n posts - RIP Bella gone but never forgotten xx
                              On Dark Ravens Wing - a pagan blog of musings and experiences

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