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  • Barlaston Allotments Problem and a warning!

    Sorry for this long post!

    I’m an active member of Barlaston Allotment Association (BAA) and have been tied up for the last six months trying to get the correct permissions to have installed on our site two port-a-cabins units. This would be of no gain to any one person but to the whole allotment community. These cabins would replace our rain shelter and give us a storage unit with a WC. To fund it we got a lottery grant and it was hoped the units would have been in place from November 2008. The local planning refused permission, but it was thought that if we re-submitted there would be no problems as we have the full support from our parish council and village. The resubmission was held back until the Allotment AGM, 19 Jan 2009 in the local pub. Where a borough councillor turned up to listen in, on what we were going to do about our planning resubmission, he was asked to leave by our chairman as the borough councillor was not a member of BAA, he refused and sat in the pub while the meet when on.

    The next day I got an email telling me that he going to object with list objections, well I thought no problem as all of his objections are addressed in the new design and access statement. The application was re-submitted, at the last parish council meeting 4/02/09 the allotments can up for discussion and the parish council meeting was an open forum so a number of plot holders attended the meeting where the parish council gave there full support. The borough councillor, who also sits on the parish council, had some objections but was not there to discuss our new submission. So with the full support of the parish the plot holders went home. Late that night I was informed that the borough councillor had turned up late to the parish council meeting and had informed the parish council that he was objecting to the planning permission because the way he was treated at our AGM, being asked to leave!
    Does any one have any comments?

    If any one wants to help us you can leave a comment on our planning by going to our web site www.barlastonallotments.co.uk
    Last edited by Steve(spt); 04-02-2009, 12:27 PM.
    My plot is on this site!

  • #2
    As I understand planning submissions, there are very few and very specific grounds for objecting to(and refusing) planning permission. Being mean to a borough councillor is not one of them!
    Tx

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    • #3
      That's ridiculous! Is there any way you can make your objections to his comment public?
      My girls found their way into my heart and now they nest there

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      • #4
        As Tootles said, there has to be concrete reasoning behind an objection. You can't just say, 'I'm taking my ball back and not playing anymore.'!! Can't say it surprises me, though.

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        • #5
          Were you polite when you asked him to leave? Infact unless you had booked a private room or cordorned off the area with the pubs permission you couldn't ask him to leave, the landlord could though.

          Does the Parish Council have the their agreement minuted? then the fact that he came in after the discussion is irrelevant. Do they have his objections minuted, are they minuted as "I was asked to leave an AGM of an organisation that I am not a member of and I'm miffed"

          The parish coucil cannot change their support of the plan, without holding another meeting (I would have thought).

          When is the next Parish Council meeting? I would attend that if I was you especially the minute reading part, to see what they say offically happened at the last meeting, if it is only minuted that they supported your plans then the councilor cannot say anything

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          • #6
            When you held your AGM in the pub was the room hired for the meeting or was it just willy nilly at one end of the bar if this was the case he had every right to be there .
            If the room was hired for the meeting then he should have been explained to that it was a private meeting but having said that with the benefit of hindsight it might have been prudent to have invited him to stay and get him on your side .
            But another point is there past history between him and your chairman might be fun to find out....jacob
            What lies behind us,And what lies before us,Are tiny matters compared to what lies Within us ...
            Ralph Waide Emmerson

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            • #7
              The Main question was why was planning permission refused in the first place.
              National Lottery normally ask for all the permissions to be inplace before they give the money.
              If there was previous building in place you do not need full permission to replace it...
              Also shouldn't the District or County Council be making planning decisions
              My phone has more Processing power than the Computers NASA used to fake the Moon Landings

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              • #8
                Originally posted by NOG View Post
                The Main question was why was planning permission refused in the first place.
                National Lottery normally ask for all the permissions to be inplace before they give the money.
                If there was previous building in place you do not need full permission to replace it...
                Also shouldn't the District or County Council be making planning decisions
                Permission was refused because they did not like the building and thought there was no need for it. Its a geenbelt site so we will have to carry on peeing up the tree!

                The lottery looked into our case and thought we ticked all the correct boxes, we thought and so did many others that all we were doing is upgrading the what we already had.

                In our case the Borough Council make the planning decisions, and the borough councillor sits on the planning committe. Hes not read our new application, as he told the parish council he will object, that was before even saw our new application.
                Last edited by Steve(spt); 04-02-2009, 05:59 PM.
                My plot is on this site!

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                • #9
                  Good then you send a letter stating that to the planning committee and state that the Cllr has a personal interest in the case and it would not be correct for him to be involved. Then tip off the local paper so they name him.

                  Contact the planning department and ask them what they would accept building wise. Also hint that if permission is refused you are going to buy an old Coach or Caravan and use that as you will not need planning for them.
                  My phone has more Processing power than the Computers NASA used to fake the Moon Landings

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Steve(spt) View Post
                    Permission was refused because they did not like the building and thought there was no need for it. Its a geenbelt site so we will have to carry on peeing up the tree!

                    The lottery looked into our case and thought we ticked all the correct boxes, we thought and so did many others that all we were doing is upgrading the what we already had.

                    In our case the Borough Council make the planning decisions, and the borough councillor sits on the planning committe. Hes not read our new application, as he told the parish council he will object, that was before even saw our new application.
                    I would try taking a look at the Human Rights Act - I suspect that you could have claims about your right to privacy/decency/family life if made to pee against a tree. Plus female members are being discriminated against if they are unable to pee against said tree - and what about those whose age/health makes it impossible for them to use the tree?

                    I may be being a little bit (!) silly in this answer but then so is your councillor friend. I suspect if he has no real/permissable objections then the chair of the parish council and the local planning officer will tell him where to go. You might also want to point out the consequences of crossing members of this forum and the bad press that can generate!

                    Good luck!

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                    • #11
                      thanks to every one for your comments. This thing has started to get me down, but your comments have made me like carring on to complete the project. - thanks!
                      My plot is on this site!

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                      • #12
                        I am as usual appalled that any councillor can say publicly that he will object to an application he hasn't even read,for any reason, let alone one as petty as this. Why do we continue to vote these power hungry imbeciles into local office?
                        Vive Le Revolution!!!
                        'Lets just stick it in, and see what happens?'
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                        • #13
                          Go to the newspapers! His reasons are completely negligent, he cannot be involved or sit in on a meeting he was asked to leave, it seems he was after all spying. MAKE a HUGE complaint to the council itself. Is the site on council land?
                          Dont worry about tomorrow, live for today

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                          • #14
                            Are you sure you require planning permission?
                            A quick look at Portakabin's own site suggests that buildings of under 30sqm do not need planning. Your cabin at 8'x20' is approx 2.43mx6.1m = 14.82sqm two of these still bring you in under 30sqm.

                            A few years ago our neighbour applied for planning for a particularly invasive extension. We were very happy when it was refused planning permission. Until it turned out that they did not need permission anyway.

                            ( Planning applications for portable buildings provided by Portakabin for reference)

                            Is it worth considering?
                            Tx

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                            • #15
                              Oh and next year have your AGM in a private room.
                              My phone has more Processing power than the Computers NASA used to fake the Moon Landings

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