Originally Posted by SarzWix

http://www.growfruitandveg.co.uk/gra...ard_28310.html

If you have a problem with a Moderator's decision, please use the PMing system to question it, not the open forum.

Not sure if this was aimed at me or not but if it was then I wasn't having a go at the mods at all and didn't think my post read like I was. If not aimed at me then just ignore me, I'm off to the shed in a minute!

Hi

There are two video clips being shown, one by a banker which has been shown on the BBC and one shot by a channel 4 man.
If you have seen both then you will understand that the police did not use reasonable force to arrest Ian Tomlinson, the dead man.

Oh, wait a minute, he wasn't even arrested.

FG

Originally Posted by Alison

Not sure if this was aimed at me or not but if it was then I wasn't having a go at the mods at all and didn't think my post read like I was. If not aimed at me then just ignore me, I'm off to the shed in a minute!

Sorry Alison, no it wasn't The post was removed by the poster.

Originally Posted by Fluorescent green

Hi

There are two video clips being shown, one by a banker which has been shown on the BBC and one shot by a channel 4 man.
If you have seen both then you will understand that the police did not use reasonable force to arrest Ian Tomlinson, the dead man.

Oh, wait a minute, he wasn't even arrested.

FG

Keep stirring - if you want a reaction .
Me - I said what I think and now have other things to do .
But rather than stir things up take a moment and explain to us all your take on personal responsibility -or is someone else always to blame?

Originally Posted by beefy

Keep stirring - if you want a reaction .
Me - I said what I think and now have other things to do .
But rather than stir things up take a moment and explain to us all your take on personal responsibility -or is someone else always to blame?

I agree with you beefy, sick of stirring!

Originally Posted by beefy

take a moment and explain to us all your take on personal responsibility -or is someone else always to blame?

Of who?

FG

Originally Posted by SarzWix

Sorry Alison, no it wasn't The post was removed by the poster.

Thanks Sarz, am easily confused, especially in my excitment at the thought of a long weekend ahead

Originally Posted by beefy

Keep stirring - if you want a reaction .
Me - I said what I think and now have other things to do .
But rather than stir things up take a moment and explain to us all your take on personal responsibility -or is someone else always to blame?

Originally Posted by Fluorescent green

Of who?

FG

Personal responsibility....I've googled it for you

What is accepting personal responsibility?
Accepting personal responsibility includes:
* Acknowledging that you are solely responsible for the choices in your life.
* Accepting that you are responsible for what you choose to feel or think.
* Accepting that you choose the direction for your life.
* Accepting that you cannot blame others for the choices you have made.
* Tearing down the mask of defense or rationale for why others are responsible for who you are, what has happened to you and what you are bound to become.
* The rational belief that you are responsible for determining who your are, and how your choices affect your life.
* Pointing the finger of responsibility back to yourself and away from others when you are discussing the consequences of your actions.
*Realizing that you determine your feelings about any events or actions addressed to you, no matter how negative they seem.
* Recognizing that you are your best cheerleader; it is not reasonable or healthy for you to depend on others to make you feel good about yourself.
* Recognizing that as you enter adulthood and maturity, you determine how your self-esteem will develop.
* Not feeling sorry for the "bum deal" you have been handed but taking hold of your life and giving it direction and reason.
* Letting go of your sense of over responsibility for others.
* Protecting and nurturing your health and emotional well being.
* Taking preventive health oriented steps of structuring your life with time management, stress management, confronting fears and burnout prevention.
* Taking an honest inventory of your strengths, abilities, talents, virtues and positive points.
* Developing positive, self-affirming, self-talk scripts to enhance your personal development and growth.
* Letting go of blame and anger toward those in your past who did the best they could, given the limitations of their knowledge, background and awareness.
* Working out anger, hostility, pessimism and depression over past hurts, pains, abuse, mistreatment and misdirection.

Hope that helps.

Two Sheds posted, I'm afraid that policemen can behave like a pack, when in a pack, same as hoodies do, same as football fans. On their own they may be decent people, but in a group the herd mentality & adrenaline can take over
Two Sheds, a football forum I am a member of has stated the following....
"Welcome to the life of a Football Fan !"
This kind of treatment has been handed out to football fans for 30 years or so.
We know that in a crowd of 40000 or so, there are about 400 who want to cause trouble. Why are all treated like hooligans?
Or should they, as someone has posted here, stop exercising their democratic rights and stay at home?
You are completely correct about "pack mentality" the advantage the Police have is that they seem to be above the law in that they can behave this way with no-one arresting them.
Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I am certainly NOT anti-police, but they MUSTbe treated in the same way the rest of us are when something goes wrong and they break the law.

Originally Posted by zazen999

Personal responsibility....I've googled it for you
Hope that helps.

Of who, not what does it mean!!

FG

On a different tack altogether, I love that post by Zazen. Think I may copy it and stick it on my fridge!

Or blame it on the Pony Express!
YouTube - Johnny Johnson & Bandwagon - Blame it on Pony Express 45 rpm

Oh my life!"!!!!!

PW my beans are edible!!!!

the rest, is semantics.

you get the society you deserve.

me, i get the veg i deserve.

Originally Posted by BrideXIII

Oh my life!"!!!!!

PW my beans are edible!!!!

the rest, is semantics.

you get the society you deserve.

me, i get the veg i deserve.

good to see you Bride

Yeah where you been hiding bride nice to see you back.