Grow Your Own Magazine

it's just the rules, you have to provide their vaccination certificate to register, i don't make the rules.

__________________
http://teachy.myminicity.com/env please visit my town and make it better

http://quiz.ravenblack.net/blood.pl?biter=teach_me please sign up to be a vampire, i get 10 pints of blood if you do, and it's fun as well ....... i have an interactive map if anyone wants it.

But has anyone challenged them as to why they would want to apply this rule? No one's blaming you, Lynda

__________________
http://www.weltaf.co.uk/
I you'st to have a Chocolate Labrador, but he sat by the fire and MELTED!

to be honest it isn't something i'd really thought about challenging before, i guess unless every owner said we aren't having our dogs vaccinated, then they would just say, ok sorry to see you leave.

__________________
http://teachy.myminicity.com/env please visit my town and make it better

http://quiz.ravenblack.net/blood.pl?biter=teach_me please sign up to be a vampire, i get 10 pints of blood if you do, and it's fun as well ....... i have an interactive map if anyone wants it.

But surely there's the answer. Everyone just 'accepts'. You accept that you have to conform and PET accept that they have to conform. No one challenges why.

__________________
http://www.weltaf.co.uk/
I you'st to have a Chocolate Labrador, but he sat by the fire and MELTED!

I breed labs and all my pups have there first jabs to cover them and the new owners are given a voucher for the 2nd jab ! all my adult dogs are injected for 3 years then i stop !
In all the years i have had dogs this has never caused any problems and my dogs live to very good ages !
They are wormed and de flea'd every 6 months which im my opinion is by far more of a problem than annual boosters !! To many dogs are not wormed and cause a health risk to children !!
As to vets making money over this that is why vets are in the top group for making profit !! I breed and rescue guinea pigs and the treatment for mites which is very common at the vets is £17.00 each !! i can buy the ivermectin and it works out at 75p each !! You pay just to walk into the vets ! They should be regulated on their charges !
I take my dogs with me ( all 5 off them ) on holiday as we have a caravan, i would only worry myself sick if i left them anywhere nad enough leaving my piggies at home, i ring every day to check there ok LOL !

thanks jamesp will certainly do some research on the subject.i have a dear little dog who i naturally want the best for.This forum is great because you get all angles of a subject.Thanks all really.

have just started to do a little research and already have found what jamesp says to be true.one comment was that vets sometimes get people in for jabs yearly so they can give the dog a medical ,for the welfare of the dog.Lots of reading there.Going back to it.Very interesting!

I don't give my dog yearly booster injections. I've been aware of the research regarding these for many years and chose not to have my present dog nor my previous one vaccinated, other than the puppy ones of course. The older I get the more suspicious I am of their motivation to do certain procedures. One of the vets at my local practice wanted to remove a growth with an op costing approx £130, but I was reluctant to go this route for several reasons (mainly her current health problems) and when I saw another vet in the same practice a few weeks later, she removed the growth under local anaesthetic for £30 and my dog was only there for an hour!

Our dogs do get yearly boosters, because their rabies boosters fall due about the same time, and it is too much hassle to get one done and not the other, also we DO sometimes put them in kennels, and the lady who runs the kennels HAS to insist on vaccination certificates or she would lose her licence to run a kennel (she never bothered about kennel cough vaccine for adult dogs until recently she was told she had to.
If the 'recognised standard' changes, I will go with the new one (and be quite pleased to do so), but until then, I do it 'by the book'.
re-licencing of drug production, I have kept goats, and few drugs are 'authorised' for goats because no-one bothers to do the testing involved. Every time my goats needed medication I was told that "it isn't actually licenced for goats, only for sheep and cows", before the vet would provide it. The vet insisted that he had to give me that information.

The (possible) problem with the MMR vaccine seems likely to be just too many vaccines too young. There is no reason for Rubella vaccine to be given to babies anyway. If the original program of giving that vaccine to teenage girls as they reach puberty had been continued, and whenever a new Mum was found NOT to have received the vaccine, she was offered the choice, then the problems that Rubella vaccination is intended to combat would simply not happen. When my children were babies the Measles and Mumps vaccines were relatively new, and given at just over a year of age. That seemed to be OK too.

__________________
Flowers come in too many colours to see the world in black-and-white.

Which goes to show that there are good vets and vets that are just out to make money. Maybe we should have a sticky 'good vets' list. Our vet loves to work with large animals, if we call him out to one of our horses, he charges less than if we took a dog down to his surgery. Don't get me wrong, I think our vets do a great job in general, but we count ourselves lucky to have found them, other people are not so lucky.
My last comment "No one challenges why" is obviously wrong as most people contributing to this thread seem to be taking this discussion seriously.

__________________
http://www.weltaf.co.uk/
I you'st to have a Chocolate Labrador, but he sat by the fire and MELTED!

I totally agree that some vets are all about the profit side of things, but a great many more are in it for the love of the animals. I myself became a Vet Nurse because I adore animals, and wanted to care for them. I can assure you that although I worked in a specialist practice for years, I didn't make a 'good' wage. Don't be fooled in to thinking that vets earn crazy amounts of money either. In my experience the only vets on crazy money are practice owners, specialists working at the University hospitals or large animal vets. The nurses and non partner vets make a humble wage, by all accounts (hence the reason I only locum now and instead am training to be a midwife!).

Still, I'm agreeing with you about the profit margin. I hold my head in shame sometimes when I see the price of a 'procedure'...and I myself only put my pets through the absolute essential things (like when the cats wrip themselves on a fence, etc)...everything else is dealt with at home, by myself!

I would definitely argue the point james made about withdrawing the service of the PAT dog immediately. PAT dogs provide a wonderful service to people who are in great need of unconditional love and attention that only these little animals can offer them. Surely the benefits to all far outweigh the risks involved. PAT dogs adore what they do...and although yearly vaccination programmes are being challenged heavily - we can also all think of examples where people have a dog for 15-18 years, which is vaccinated yearly and still lives a long, happy life. So, removing a PAT dog from service because the powers that be insist on ' yearly vaccinations' seems extreme.

The beauty of opinions...we all have them...

__________________
I love to talk about nothing. It's the only thing I know anything about!!

http://chancecottage.blogspot.com/

...and when we take a dog to our vet, who do we get the best service from.. why it's the nurse or the non partner vet, I know our vet certainly makes them earn their keep for the small money they earn. They usually don't stay there long before moving on.

__________________
http://www.weltaf.co.uk/
I you'st to have a Chocolate Labrador, but he sat by the fire and MELTED!

I have all my puppies vaccinated when they are tiny and vulnerable but never thereafter. They will pick up a natural immunity from the environment which is surely better for them than an artificial one. Most of my dogs have lived very long and healthy lives.