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  • Starling's harebrained stonewall raised bed from old bathtubs and spalls idea thread

    I'll update as I go. The idea is I take some old bathubs, half bury them in the ground, and mound up bluestone spalls against the sides (and fix them to the lip of the tub) to create the illusions of a solid stone raised bed planter. I'll fill the tubs with good soil and plant some bananas and eugenia in them.

    Ever glued rocks to cast iron?
    Me either. This will interesting.

    Well, here's where I'm at so far. I've sunk one tub into the ground having excavated the cavity for it. Three to go.

    Step 1: Digging a hole ( oh goody). Three trailer loads of earth later, I have it deep enough. last one I kept as fill to set around the tub. As you can see, it's cracking clay. Weighs a tonne, bakes as hard as rock in summer and is actually quite good if you're into growing fossils.



    Step 2: square out hole, level it, and get depth right. I've left about a foot of clearance on either side to stack the spalls. F' me, these tubs are heavy. Have to be over 100kg. I can move them a little but freehand with some leverage but yeah, no way I could have carted this up from the paddock without a trolley. Even that was horrendous, and I still have two to go. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof, they say.



    Step 3: Tub placed in hole, soil packed in and around around cavity. Pretty level and not slanting too much either end. If you ever have to do something like this, a good trick for tamping down clay so that it doesn't slake ( erode) is to break it up a bit with your shovel, hose it so that it turns to mud and then scrape it tight around the perimeter of whatever it is you've buried. Then, throw on some shovels of dry soil, about an inch deep, and then tamp it down. The clay wont stick to your shovel as you're patting it down, will compress better and will be less likely to erode. I used some spare sandy topsoil I had left over--this is ideal.




    Step 4: Jesus, I'm glad that's over. I dug up a mystery object. It's old iron--maybe an old gate peg and chain lock? What do you think?



    over and out.

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    Last edited by Starling; 19-08-2015, 07:28 AM. Reason: I can't count, or spell, or do grammar

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    It's a great idea, even if slightly crackers given all the backbreaking work involved! Am looking forward to seeing the walls go up.

    How much rain do you get? Given you've compacted the clay, will it be able to run out if there's a lot, or can the plants cope with wet feet for a while?
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    • #3
      I think...rather you than me but looking forward to seeing the end result.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by sparrow100 View Post
        It's a great idea, even if slightly crackers given all the backbreaking work involved! Am looking forward to seeing the walls go up.

        How much rain do you get? Given you've compacted the clay, will it be able to run out if there's a lot, or can the plants cope with wet feet for a while?
        Good catch sparrow, you are right--this one won't drain which is the intent because a dwarf banana will be going in it, and bananas can never get enough water (one of the US guys I trade with, who is a bit of character and believes the world will run out of oxygen soon becaise of deforestation, goes around planting banana plants in local swamps).

        For the others, ill have to run some agpipe or something from the drainhole out through the side of the trench.

        If you think this is bananas wait til I post my dragonfruit grove design lol
        Last edited by Starling; 19-08-2015, 07:27 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jay22 View Post
          I think...rather you than me but looking forward to seeing the end result.
          Well, I generally tell people I like to upcycle for ecological reasons, and that hard work is free exercise.

          In truth, I'm just a major tightarse

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          • #6
            That looks like HARD work but will be well worthwhile I'm sure!
            The mystery object may be a horses Bit from a bridle? I can't tell the size from the photo but it's the right shape.

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            • #7
              I had the darker thought that the mystery object may be a shackle.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Martin H View Post
                I had the darker thought that the mystery object may be a shackle.

                It' possible, but unlikely given the diameter of the loop. Also Australia doesn't have the kind of History that England/Europe does. You guys can pretty much dig anywhere and find all kinds of amazing artifacts, but Australia is huge, and has never had a large population so the chances of finding anything interesting are pretty slim. I reckon whatever it is would have to be more modern than a shackle. I'd wager a lot of you guys in the UK have antique furniture older than the entire history of colonial Australia, and a lot of you would also live in houses older than that also. Australia has only been settled since 1788, a very young country. Horse bit as euphony says is definitely a contender, but sheesh--if it is, it would have been cruel as hell on the horse.

                There was some british explorer (can't remember which, this was in the very early part of colonial Australia) who encountered a tribe of isolated Aborigines who could speak a spattering of Dutch (but not English) and could make masonic symbols with hand gestures. It's pretty well documented--so it appears that the Dutch got here before anyone else.

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                • #9
                  Actually Martin, now that I think more about it, you could be on the money. For some reason I was thinking of leg shackles but these could definitely fit around wrists--especially those of a woman or child. I think if it was a horse bit, there would be a nut, or something, to stop the pin sliding into the horse's mouth--unless it's rusted off or something. I dunno. I've never seen a bridle bit like this thing. Why would the loops on either end need to be so wide if it's just a leather strap/rope going through them?

                  It's also possible given the history of of the Aboriginal people in my area. I won't go into it--believe me, you'd rather not know about it.

                  I might take it into Uni and get an expert opinion. If it is a pair of shackles it should go on display somewhere as things like this aren't commonly found in Aus.
                  Last edited by Starling; 20-08-2015, 12:05 AM.

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                  • #10
                    When I lived in Tasmania we found some shackles in the basement of the house we rented and assumed they were relics from the Convict settlements on the island. Its a long time ago and I can't remember exactly what they were like - and before anyone says something rude about me, I wasn't transported there. Even I'm not that old - or norty!
                    Do have yours identified, Starling - its always interesting to know more.

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                    • #11
                      Slower than expected

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                      Well, I finished hauling up the other tub. I don't know why, or how, but this one was heavier than the other big one. It took a couple of hours, and it pretty much wrecked me. Seems to be the same proportions as the other, maybe the steel is thicker or something.Nothing left in the tank to dig this one in today.

                      FYI: This will be the last time I do this. I can't walk properly, and It's like 4:30 and I'm ready for bed. My days of hauling gigantic steel bathtubs up hills, on trolleys, are over. I would rather brush my genitals in eggwash, dip them in breadcrumbs, and do a slow, nude walk through a flock of hungry geese than ever do anything like this ever again.



                      Anyway, moving on:

                      So I started stacking the spalls just to get an idea of whether or not this will work or not, and it definitely will. Once I fix the top stones in place, fill the bed with soil and mulch, the tubs will be totally invisible and it will appear, even with close inspection, to be composed entirely of spalls.It will be indistinguishable from a true rock wall raised bed. So that's good. Because the stones extend about 50-100mm above the top lip of the tub, I can fill the soil up to this depth--which means I will be able to cover the places where the tubs join with soil also, which will give the whole thing the appearance of being one large bed as opposed to being composed of pieces. I might make them a bit more fancy by planting some dwarf bromeliads in some of the gaps between the rocks.



                      Next step is to dig in the other two tubs, and glue some of the spalls to the edges of the tubs. I'm using a product called Gorilla glue, which is really good for bonding porous materials such as stone and porcelain/ceramic. The ceramic will need to be sanded back a little for extra grip.

                      Time for food and sleep.

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                      • #12
                        Could be part of a harness for a dray horse/pony?
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                        • #13
                          Having another look at that piccie, it certainly looks like a bit.
                          However , it seems that there is a ring missing.
                          The bar which goes in the mouth is there, the left side is complete, but the right side is missing the ring attaching the straight bar bit piece to the cheek piece???

                          I could however be wrong...

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                          • #14
                            Are you near any of the mining areas?...thinking of 'pit ponies'
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nicos View Post
                              Are you near any of the mining areas?...thinking of 'pit ponies'
                              No, not near any mines.

                              But I do know what pit ponies are thanks to the Antiques Roadshow program

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