Sarzwiz - lovely, rational advice. My neighbour has two cats and has trained them not to jump on worksurfaces by hiding behind a door and having a squirt, it works a treat and they never jump up. When my cat went missing a couple of years ago, one man up the road was very defensive and admitted to have turned the hose on the cat, then also admitted he hadn't seen him since! I said I had no problem with that - and I don't, it worked for him and the cat knows to avoid that garden.

(Stupid moggie had got caught in the garage of someone who used her car once a week! Came home safe and sound and a little slimmer, but no more sensible)

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