I noticed both in my local A**A superstore in the baking section with budget labels and budget prices. I would use these if I did not have some home grown or picked fruit to add.

I am especialy fond of blackberrys or elder berrys to provide the fruit body to a wine, but you have to keep it all clean and balanced. I have to admit that I tasted some really disgusting home made wines in the 70's.

Now we have the technology and the web sites so that we can help each other. I think we can make 'root and fruit' (copywrite) wines as good or better than shop bought vine wines.